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Did Putin plant the holiday jet bomb that killed 224 Russians? Ex-KGB agent claims...
Daily Mail ^ | 25 December 2015 | Andrew Malone

Posted on 12/29/2015 1:37:38 PM PST by annalex

Did Putin plant the holiday jet bomb that killed 224 Russians? Ex-KGB agent claims this dossier proves the Kremlin orchestrated the atrocity to justify waging war on Syria

By ANDREW MALONE FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 16:51 EST, 25 December 2015 | UPDATED: 07:53 EST, 26 December 2015


...One man certainly believes so: Boris Karpichkov, a former spy with the KGB (later renamed the FSB) who now lives under a new identity with his wife and family at a secret location in England after fleeing here in fear for his life. His sensational claim at first seems unbelievable. For he maintains it was the Kremlin, not ISIS, that deliberately blew the plane out of the sky. And he says Putin cynically authorised the tragedy not only to obtain worldwide sympathy at a time when Russia was being treated as a pariah because of its aggression towards Ukraine, but also to gain support for its ostensible belligerence against ISIS, which Putin would use as a cover to attack rebel groups in Syria who were sworn enemies of his ally President al-Assad.

[More at source.]

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1 posted on 12/29/2015 1:37:38 PM PST by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; AlexW; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bigg Red; bigheadfred; ...

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates.


2 posted on 12/29/2015 1:38:15 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Russia’s history— both recent and later— is filled with such “false flag” terror attacks. Nothing would surprise me.


3 posted on 12/29/2015 1:39:37 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: annalex

Bush did 9/11?

Sounds like one of those theories.

Or Clinton pulled the Oklahoma City bombing to get re-elected.

Some are saying San Bernardino was done by Obama via the DHS.

Once you go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, it never ends.


4 posted on 12/29/2015 1:40:48 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: annalex

Then why did ISIS take credit for it? And why did the Lamestream Media all go along with that story, although they hate what Putin is doing there?


5 posted on 12/29/2015 1:43:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: annalex
The major claims his information comes from a general lieutenant in GRU (one of Russia’s numerous military intelligence wings). This man told him, he says, that around the time of the plane’s crash, Putin had been expressing his concerns to Kremlin allies about ‘possible losses of political influence’ in Syria and the Middle East. Putin, he went on, was worried about the fate of his traditional ally in the region, President al-Assad, given the West’s support for rebel groups trying to depose him. A plan was allegedly hatched by officials within GRU to reverse Russia’s declining influence in the region and — as Major Karpichkov claims he was told by a senior source — to ‘kill two rabbits with one bullet’. The aim was to get ‘at least silent international approval’ for massive military operations against Assad’s enemies under the guise of a campaign against the IS terrorists blamed for bombing the Russian passenger jet; and to bolster Russia’s multi-billion-pound weapons business with the Middle East.

6 posted on 12/29/2015 1:43:15 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Several Pu’s false flag operations are listed in the article.


7 posted on 12/29/2015 1:44:29 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

My money is on islam. It ain’t like the islamo trash has not done enough to warrant a good @$$ kicking by someone, anyone.

The math says with a deficit of love in the world, those that hate are the guilty ones.


8 posted on 12/29/2015 1:45:54 PM PST by soycd
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To: TigerClaws
Some are saying

The difference is the position of the source, close to the GRU leadership.

9 posted on 12/29/2015 1:45:55 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: TigerClaws

My thought exactly. No evidence, disgruntled ex-spy who fell out over money he says was owed him. How could anyone be skeptical?


10 posted on 12/29/2015 1:48:19 PM PST by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: annalex

Occam’s razor tells me it was Islamists, not Putin.

One is simple, the other byzantine. Occam says go with the simple.


11 posted on 12/29/2015 1:49:43 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: TigerClaws
Bush did 9/11? Sounds like one of those theories. Or Clinton pulled the Oklahoma City bombing to get re-elected. Some are saying San Bernardino was done by Obama via the DHS. Once you go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, it never ends.

Completely different circumstances. Putin has political opponents or snitches killed. American presidents do not. Russian politicians have immunity from prosecution. American politicians do not.

12 posted on 12/29/2015 1:51:35 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Cicero
why did ISIS take credit for it?

Because they could, and it served the purpose of terror just the same. Quoting the source:

Islamic fanatics soon claimed responsibility for this horrific act of mass murder, subsequently publishing a photograph of a drinks can concealing a timer and explosives, which the extremists claimed had been smuggled on to the aircraft, and detonated after it took off. Yet, intriguingly, the extremists initially seemed to have as little detail about what actually happened as authorities on the ground, who, in the first hours after the disaster, were unsure of the cause. Instead, in a brief and strikingly vague statement, IS condemned ‘Russian crusaders’ for their involvement in Syria, and warned that infidels ‘neither have safety in the lands of Muslims nor in their air’ and that ‘soldiers of the Caliphate were able to down a Russian airplane over Sinai province’. If anything, the implication seemed to be that they had shot down the plane from the ground, not sabotaged it with a bomb.

why did the Lamestream Media all go along [...]?

Because they love reporting on terrorist acts, and, of course, Karpichkov's revelations were not available yet. Plus, the media also fears reporting something they cannot really verify.

13 posted on 12/29/2015 1:52:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

I would not be surprised at a lot of things Putin would do but he seems to actually love Russia.

I just don’t think he would kill that many of his countrymen for minimal profit if any at all.


14 posted on 12/29/2015 1:54:17 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: soycd
It ain’t like the islamo trash has not done enough to warrant a good @$$ kicking

I agree that militant Islam richly deserves whatever is coming to them, but that does not make every terrorist act their work.

15 posted on 12/29/2015 1:55:25 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: John Valentine
Occam’s razor tells me it was Islamists, not Putin. One is simple, the other byzantine. Occam says go with the simple.

Occam's Razor applies to societies with a free and open press, where political leaders don't kill with impunity. Russia isn't one of those societies.

16 posted on 12/29/2015 1:56:22 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: John Valentine
One is simple, the other byzantine

Actually, the opposite is simple. For Pu, to commit a terrorist act then blame whoever he wants to bomb at the moment is standard operating procedure. He did something similar with these apartment blocks to start the Chechnya war (the details are in the article).

17 posted on 12/29/2015 1:59:12 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Math and statistics lean heavily toward islam...if not mecca (UrineBUH).


18 posted on 12/29/2015 1:59:25 PM PST by soycd
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To: TigerClaws
Bush did 9/11? Sounds like one of those theorie

The Russians in fact propagate such theories on their state controlled media. It is not inconsistent with the Russian mind, which projects its crimes onto other people.

19 posted on 12/29/2015 2:01:06 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: yarddog

He loves the Soviet Union, not Russia. He wouldn’t have filled Russian cities with central Asian migrants otherwise, and he wouldn’t have jailed Russian nationalists.


20 posted on 12/29/2015 2:01:21 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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