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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "It is how 'science falsely so-called' works.(1Ti.6:20) "

Your effort here to have the Bible declare war on science is noted and rejected.
Rejected because the word your King James translates as "science" is the Greek word "gnosis" which in no way means today's science.
Instead, Paul's warning to Timothy uses the word "gnosis" meaning secret spiritual knowledge practiced by heretical Gnostics.

That's why only six of 54 translations listed at Bible Gateway use the KJV's mistranslation of "science".
The others all more correctly use the word "knowledge", which should be understood as referring to secret Gnostic knowledge.

fortheDeclaration: "You just create the definitions you want."

I don't, but modern science certainly does.
Science defines not only itself, but also everything it sees in the natural realm.
Sure, you may disagree with some of those definitions, but they are still science, and your own definitions not necessarily so.

fortheDeclaration: "Science is testable, evolution isn't. "

You may already know, in science a confirmed observation is called a fact.
A good example is the size, shape & rotation of the Earth, all have been observed, confirmed and classified as "fact".
Scientific explanations about how and why facts are what they are fall into two categories: hypotheses and theories.
The difference is, a hypothesis is a confirmable explanation, while a theory is a confirmed hypothesis.
Confirmation comes from several methods, including verified predictions.

So basic evolution falls into the scientific category of confirmed theory, confirmed by innumerable verified predictions including many transitional forms.

fortheDeclaration: "The beginnings can't be tested, only believed, so both creation or evolution are accepted by faith (Heb.11:3)."

Your reference to Hebrews 11:3 refers to faith in God, and is true, but natural science is based on a different assumption, namely: natural explanations for natural processes, period.
Modern science -- natural science -- by definition is the effort to find natural explanations for natural processes.
It rules out a priori any supernatural events and any supernatural explanations.
Science itself doesn't deny supernatural events might exist, only that natural-scientific theories are not the proper tools to explain them.

141 posted on 11/14/2015 6:45:32 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
No, it isn't declaring war on science, it is rejecting false science.

And the definitions don't line up with science's method, testing and observing.

Yes, when science can test something then it can be called a fact.

When it cannot, it isn't.

So, evolution by it's nature is not testable and therefore cannot be considered in the realm of scientific enquiry.

An hypothesis is simply an opinion, which is not a fact.

Yes,as I said, science cannot prove or disprove the existence of God and how the universe was created.

Both of the creationist and evolutionist view must be accepted by faith.

That is what the evolutionist cannot stand, since he thinks that he is being 'scientific'

142 posted on 11/14/2015 8:00:06 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: BroJoeK
Science itself doesn't deny supernatural events might exist, only that natural-scientific theories are not the proper tools to explain them.

It's where I differ with both those claiming to be scientists and those calling themselves theologians.

Both are actually the study of the nature of the Almighty. And both rely upon words/concepts like "supernatural", "spiritual", to fill in that which at present is unknown.

Natural-scientific theories and the word of God are all tools to be used in the study of his handiwork (the natural, and for now, unnatural world).

While evidence exists of species evolving over eons, no one has to date proven if it was natural selection, intelligent design, or a combination of the two [my personal favorite] as being responsible.

There are way too many unanswered questions to say all life evolved on this planet due to natural selection. For example brain development. Sharks have been around for millions of years. By now sharks should be the smartest animal life on the planet because smarter sharks survive longer. Yet sharks are still pretty dumb when compared to humans who have really only came into their own, in intelligence, after the last ice age 12,000 years ago.

Evidence points to something, or someone(s), rather quickly increased human intelligence many fold in our recent history. And it happened worldwide and on separate continents relatively simultaneously.

Einstein said it best, "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

Einstein's quote applies equally well to science.

144 posted on 11/14/2015 9:19:09 AM PST by amorphous
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