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Trump’s Critics Are Wrong about the Fourteenth Amendment and Birthright Citizenship
National Review ^ | 08/19/2015 | Edward J. Erler

Posted on 08/19/2015 6:44:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/19/2015 6:44:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is what the law should say, if you came here illegally and had a child, then that child cannot obtain US citizenship.


2 posted on 08/19/2015 6:47:33 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: SeekAndFind

Levin was talking about this yesterday


3 posted on 08/19/2015 6:49:46 AM PDT by BigEdLB (They need to target the 'Ministry of Virtue' which has nothing to do with virtue.)
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To: lormand

I saw trump interviewed yesterday. Ore illy I think. He might have ear markings of the antichrist but he did not say what this headline says he said

I didn’t read the article

Most times articles that have a way too many words like this one does are just more bs


4 posted on 08/19/2015 6:51:47 AM PDT by stanne
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To: lormand

RE: if you came here illegally and had a child, then that child cannot obtain US citizenship.

That’s one way to look at it, but that doesn’t deal with the issue of those who are here LEGALLY and have a child.

Is your child eligible for citizenship at birth if:

1) One or both of His/her parents are PERMANENT RESIDENTS (i.e. green Card holders )?

2) One or both his/her parents are here legally ( e.g., on working or student visas )?

3) One or both of his/parents are here as diplomats of a foreign country?


5 posted on 08/19/2015 6:52:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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To: SeekAndFind
Immigration is the most important issue

Since 1965 democrats have imported 42 million legal immigrants from the 3rd world . that's 42 mllion voters for democrats added to the USA.Now these are the worshiped “legal” immigrants.

In addition there are 30 million illegals. and how many of those vote or donate to democrats?

See Ann Coulter’s book to understand why immigrants are destroying the USA

6 posted on 08/19/2015 6:58:25 AM PDT by Democrat_media (obamatrade "trade in services" = mega more 3rd world socialist immigrants to USA)
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To: stanne

Trump was very solid in that O’Reilly interview. Bill was an ass as usual.

Perhaps we could cut the anti Christ stuff out? Trump in no way comes off as that.

I doubt Cruz or Palin would hang out with the anti Christ anyway.


7 posted on 08/19/2015 7:01:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

Good find.


8 posted on 08/19/2015 7:02:22 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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Trump is great and Cruz gives him credibility for potential adherence to the constitution, the real job of the president

I’d just feel better if I could counter some people’s objection to his rise in popularity being a freaky reactionary thing

That’s sll


9 posted on 08/19/2015 7:06:34 AM PDT by stanne
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His current popularity isn’t freaky. It is the result of years of PC and obvious treachery by political parties.

People have caught on to the scam and theft of our country by politicians and the media.

For years people have been silenced by being led to believe that most all Americans agree with the ruling class and the media.

Truth is Trump has been saying some of what he says now for years on his FOX and FRIENDs visits each week. So it isn’t out of the blue.

Remember when those townhalls happened prior to passage of Obamacare? The People were letting those politicians have it. It upset the politicians to the bone to have the people telling them off.

Now many have phone ins so they can hide out from the people. LOL


10 posted on 08/19/2015 7:16:47 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

PING


11 posted on 08/19/2015 7:16:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind; Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ...

1) One or both of His/her parents are PERMANENT RESIDENTS (i.e. green Card holders )
_________________________________________

No, citizens

My naturalization document says that I am now a “permanent resident”

as for the other points, the child of green card holders is a citizen but not an NBC

children of diplomats are not citizens..


12 posted on 08/19/2015 7:21:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

This article goes makes a good argument. It is a start. It will be an up hill battle to convince a lot of politicians and the courts. Trump is certainly creating a conversation. I don’t see Trump as a constitutional scholar (no candidate needs to be), so I think Trump is lucky on this issue. I hope other republicans do not make stupid mistakes by coming out against anchor baby legislation just because they want to oppose Trump. I have already heard a number of conservative pundits spew what they learned about the 14a in high school. Liberal teachers have been misteaching the constitution for decades.


13 posted on 08/19/2015 7:26:04 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Do Not Vote for List: See my profile)
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To: dforest

It’s true. I listened to trump on savage before the last election. He seems genuinely concerned about the country. He should be. The d heads in charge of congress should be


14 posted on 08/19/2015 7:29:34 AM PDT by stanne
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“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

The one place in the 14th that I wish the authors had used the word 'citizen' rather than 'peerson' is in the last sentence of Section 1:

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Think of all the problems that would resolve.

15 posted on 08/19/2015 7:41:56 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
as for the other points, the child of green card holders is a citizen but not an NBC.

If that child does not have to be naturalized he/she is natural.

16 posted on 08/19/2015 7:53:11 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: Starstruck

Chester Arthur was not eligible to be POTUS...


17 posted on 08/19/2015 7:55:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the author addresses the subjects you listed here:

"Indeed, during debate over the amendment, Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause, attempted to assure skeptical colleagues that the language was not intended to make Indians citizens of the United States. Indians, Howard conceded, were born within the nation’s geographical limits, but he steadfastly maintained that they were not subject to its jurisdiction because they owed allegiance to their tribes and not to the U.S. Senator Lyman Trumbull, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported this view, arguing that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else and being subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.

Jurisdiction understood as allegiance, Senator Howard explained, excludes not only Indians but “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.” Thus, “subject to the jurisdiction” does not simply mean, as is commonly thought today, subject to American laws or courts. It means owing exclusive political allegiance to the U.S.

18 posted on 08/19/2015 8:04:54 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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All you need to know.

19 posted on 08/19/2015 8:08:27 AM PDT by Company Man (I say we take off and Trump the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: stanne
I saw trump interviewed yesterday. Ore illy I think. He might have ear markings of the antichrist but he did not say what this headline says he said I didn’t read the article Most times articles that have a way too many words like this one does are just more bs

LOL! Depicting Trump as the anti-Christ is a sure sign that one has lost some marbles. Admitting to not reading the freaking article because of "too many bs words" is a candidate for the Blue Collar boys - "There's your sign"....

20 posted on 08/19/2015 8:11:16 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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