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My promised article concerning McCain and the USS Forrestal(CV-59) Fire
23 July 2015 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 07/23/2015 12:28:26 PM PDT by US Navy Vet

I will not use Wikipedia as some people have BUTTHURT with Wiki. This is what is will use: http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/cv-59/59f-0729.htm


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial
KEYWORDS: cv59fire; johnmccain; mccain; ussforrestal
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The other five airplanes he lost?

Are another subject.

If anyone here thinks I haven't posted enough dirt on McCain I'll be glad to re-post the links to them that I posted over 200 times from Nov. 2006 until he won the nomination in early 2008.

61 posted on 07/23/2015 1:58:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

In those days it was all volunteer, and for officers, you had to pass your Rickover interview. If you make it through the training, then you would be OK. BTW, you can visit TREPANG’s weapon shipping hatch, wardroom, crews mess, and laundry in the Museum of American History in Washington, DC. The rest is razor blades. ;-)


62 posted on 07/23/2015 2:06:46 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
That's drivel.

And from such an authoritative source! You posted three image links from it and copy/pasted from its text. Now I dare you to post a proper link to that text!

63 posted on 07/23/2015 2:12:48 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: All
An Aircraft Carrier Fights for Life - 1973 United States Navy Educational Documentary 18:43
64 posted on 07/23/2015 2:19:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: cynwoody
I am reminded of the Cavalese cable car disaster of 1998, in which an EA-6B Prowler doing 540 mph at an altitude of between 260 and 330 feet severed a cable car cable, killing 20 people.

If memory serves, the pilot responsible for that incident was turned over to the Italians for trial, and was imprisoned as a result.

I don't think McCain's incident was quite as serious, but it still would have ended an ordinary naval airman's career.

65 posted on 07/23/2015 2:27:36 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: US Navy Vet

This is a completely accurate account of the fire on the Forrestal...I was the Public Affairs Officer for RAdm Harvey Lanham and was on the Forrestal’s flag bridge for much of the day, as the glass was blown out by shrapnel, as men were vaporized by unstable bombs on deck, and as our shipmates were killed by explosions that reached as deep as seven decks. McCain was a hotdog, just as he is today, but he did not start the fire, nor did he have any responsibility to fight the fire. We had well-trained, fire control parties and he would have been in the way. McCain’s service in the U.S. Senate is much more of a disgrace than his actions on the Forrestal.


66 posted on 07/23/2015 2:34:02 PM PDT by dunblak
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To: Steely Tom
If memory serves, the pilot responsible for that incident was turned over to the Italians for trial

Nope. The pilot and navigator were tried at Camp Lejeune on 20 counts of involuntary manslaughter and negligent homicide.

Not guilty.

Next, they were tried for obstruction of justice for destroying a video recorded during the flight. They were found guilty on that and dismissed from the Navy. The captain also got six months, but served only four and a half.

67 posted on 07/23/2015 2:39:32 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: All
McCain and the Forrestal fire 3:23 Aug. 3, 2008

That is where the Democrat propaganda about the BS "Wet Start" began.

68 posted on 07/23/2015 3:09:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Whatever McCain did in the past is the past. It’s what he is doing now that is important and it isn’t good.


69 posted on 07/23/2015 3:53:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cynwoody

You have the story. Believe it or not.


70 posted on 07/23/2015 4:06:40 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mc5cents

Well my concentration is on McStain not Kerry in this situation.


71 posted on 07/23/2015 4:13:41 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
You have the story. Believe it or not.

Your "story" is demonstrably false, based on the diagrammed locations of the planes. There was no plane behind McCain's, and certainly not the plane that fired the rocket (that one was across from McCain's plane).

72 posted on 07/23/2015 4:32:46 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You have the story. Which many sailors on the flight deck of the US forrestal backed up.


73 posted on 07/23/2015 4:34:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
You have the story.

You keep saying that. It doesn't make the story true. Are you saying that the videos and diagrams are...fake? If not, then how do you account for the fact that your "story" doesn't match the evidence?

Which many sailors on the flight deck of the US forrestal backed up.

Can you back that assertion up with any facts? Evidence? Of course not.

74 posted on 07/23/2015 4:49:23 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Which many sailors on the flight deck of the US forrestal backed up.

And you can't provide one link to any of their stories.

Here is a FReeper who was on the Forrestal during the fire.

75 posted on 07/23/2015 4:52:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

“A pilot loses a plane for any reason, then after all is said and done said pilot is lucky to be able to return to the cockpit flying for Uncle Sugar, even if the loss wasn’t his fault.”

Not correct. I can’t think of a pilot REJECTED from further flying after a crash UNLESS he was found at fault. I knew a guy with 2 ejections, still flying. That was in the 80s.

In the 60s, we lost a LOT of planes. They were cheaper back then...


76 posted on 07/23/2015 4:53:58 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"Behind his aircraft was an F-4 Phantom jet fully loaded"

Ummm...there was nothing but ocean behind McCain's jet:


77 posted on 07/23/2015 4:58:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Mr Rogers
Ummm...there was nothing but ocean behind McCain's jet:

Indeed. McCain's A-4 is the one in the center right of this pic, mostly engulfed in flames. White's A-4 is to McCain's right, totally engulfed.


78 posted on 07/23/2015 5:07:28 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Mr Rogers

And to add, the picture matches exactly the diagram you provided. With McCain’s A-4 being “417” and White’s (which can’t be seen through the fire and smoke at all) 405. The two A-4s (417 and 312) to the left of McCains can be seen, as well as the three spotted on the extreme aft fantail and teh F-4s on the Starboard fantail.


79 posted on 07/23/2015 5:10:39 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

416, McCain’s was 416.


80 posted on 07/23/2015 5:40:35 PM PDT by tanknetter
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