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To: xzins
So many libertarians are atheists, so it is hard to take them seriously. An atheist, after all can justify anything.

Indeed. That's probably at least part of the reason that I tend to scorn Libertarians. But the rest of it consists in the hatchet-job that Ayn Rand — that infantile ignoramus — perpetrated on Plato's works and reputation. So many Libertarians light candles, and give their obeisance, to that very strange woman.

Bottom line, atheists have no ground or measure for objective Truth. Once you get rid of God, you have nothing to stand on in that way. So they just make it up as they go along, citing "reason" as a defense.

But Reason, absent a Ground in Truth, becomes unreasonable.

JMHO FWIW

39 posted on 07/22/2015 5:14:27 PM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind.)
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To: betty boop

“Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountainhead” were so big among us ‘sort-of-hip’ young in the late 60’s. We couldn’t be hippies, because we weren’t going to San Francisco to put flowers in our hair unless our parents paid for the ticket, and they weren’t paying. So we became enamored of John Galt who was a drop-out in a different way. We pretended to great ideas when those unwrapped were really that we didn’t believe anything. And so, inadvertently, I found myself a hedonist because that was the direction of the culture and made as much sense as anything else. The philosophy, played out by my lack of beliefs, led me straight to meaninglessness, shameful behavior, and finally a recognition that I was alone in this big old world — truly alone — and that absolutely no one really cared, for how could they, since they, too, were automatons, nothing more than electrified, reacting globs of protoplasm?

And then one night there was a knock at my door. Rev 3:20. Maybe it was a dream, a fantasy, a who in the world knows, but I found myself on my knees begging Jesus to make Himself real to me. To this day I don’t know how He knocked on my door. I just know that the simple memory verse from Sunday School, and drummed into me by Godly parents came to me, “Behold I stand at the door and knock...”

My own change, and my own experience is proof to me that atheism is a dead end and that Jesus is the Way.


40 posted on 07/22/2015 5:28:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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To: betty boop; xzins
Indeed. That's probably at least part of the reason that I tend to scorn Libertarians. But the rest of it consists in the hatchet-job that Ayn Rand — that infantile ignoramus — perpetrated on Plato's works and reputation. So many Libertarians light candles, and give their obeisance, to that very strange woman.

Very well stated.

The obsessive devotion that libertarians (and even some who consider themselves conservative) have to Ayn Rand is very disturbing. She was a devout atheist whose worldview was based on 100% selfishness and any hint of altruism was to be abhorred.

When "Atlas Shrugged" was first published, Whittaker Chambers wrote a fantastic review of it in "National Review" (back when National Review actually was conservative) where he writes:

Like any consistent materialism, this one begins by rejecting God, religion, original sin, etc., etc. (This book’s aggressive atheism and rather unbuttoned “higher morality,” which chiefly outrage some readers, are, in fact, secondary ripples, and result inevitably from its underpinning premises.) Thus, Randian Man, like Marxian Man, is made the center of a godless world.

Far too many Christians are blind to how truly dangerous libertarianism is.

47 posted on 07/23/2015 12:33:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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