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To: Cboldt

“If gang association is enough, without more, then howcome ALL the MS-13 isn’t in jail on charges, when there is one killing. They are all members, and in this case, the state is arguing that membership=conspirator. Conspiracy is enough.”

Oh come on, that just isn’t true. They didn’t go round up all the Bandidos and Cossacks members in the state and arrest them simply for being members of the organization. They arrested people who were on the scene of a violent crime. So there is, at the very least, two parts to this conspiracy case, that they were part of a criminal organization AND that the police caught them at the scene of a violent, apparently gang-related incident.


104 posted on 07/06/2015 1:55:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
-- Oh come on, that just isn't true. They didn't go round up all the Bandidos and Cossacks members in the state and arrest them simply for being members of the organization. They arrested people who were on the scene of a violent crime. --

This is true. But that fact does not establish gang conspiracy either.

107 posted on 07/06/2015 2:11:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Boogieman
-- So there is, at the very least, two parts to this conspiracy case, that they were part of a criminal organization AND that the police caught them at the scene of a violent, apparently gang-related incident. --

I'd add that being "on scene" is not a prerequisite for conspiracy either. If the gang conspires to beat somebody up, or kill them, or beat or kill some random member of the other gang, then the conspiracy element exists in fact.

See Godfather, who orders the hit, but isn't at the scene of the crime. He's still in on the conspiracy.

I'd also add that having a generally disagreeable attitude and propensity for using force of violence doesn't constitute a conspiracy either.

I haven't heard a peep from the authorities that amounts to a coherent accusation of conspiracy.

114 posted on 07/06/2015 2:39:30 PM PDT by Cboldt
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