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1 posted on 11/23/2014 7:19:19 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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I’ll take the 40 hours of weapons training when he takes 40 hours of Constitution 105.

Apparently this guy #1 has no clue that govt does not give us our rights and #2 weapons made to kill people are necessary in case we need to kill somebody or in the case of govt tyranny a whole lotta somebody’s.


59 posted on 11/23/2014 8:16:56 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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So I guess he wants us to believe that by infringing on the second amendment rights of law abiding Americans, criminals and crazies will somehow be unable to obtain and/or use firearms. Right. FO dude.


60 posted on 11/23/2014 8:18:43 AM PST by RC one (Impeach him.)
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Idiot amateur Constitutional lawyer takes a swing and misses.
61 posted on 11/23/2014 8:20:40 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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When you start talking about what other people should be allowed to do or own, you’ve made the case for the Second Amendment.


64 posted on 11/23/2014 8:29:26 AM PST by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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Being a veteran does not give one a greater position of morality or expertise to expound on constitutional issues.

Being a current or former weapons instructor doesn’t make one an expert on issues related to gun control.

This is no aspersion on honorable service. But the past history indicated does not establish the foundation the writer thinks it does in terms of proposing to teach others about what the constitution does or does not say, and in terms of what is or is not good public policy.

The self aggrandizement the writer makes based on their service is, to me, unsettling.

Every soldier who has stood guard duty is not an expert on anti terrorism. Every public affairs officer is not an expert on free speech. Every chaplain is not an expert on freedom of religion.

This would be akin to someone who worked for a few years as an Apple Genius proposing that they are qualified to not only advise the CEO, but that they are qualified by such experience to advise the FCC or the Patent Board.


67 posted on 11/23/2014 8:33:55 AM PST by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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I am doubtful of the claim that “mass shootings are on the rise.” I also dismiss quite readily the idea that because object X can be deadly to children that the only way to keep children safe is by a wide restrictions on object X.

Using that logic I would have to conclude that objects that cause even more deaths than guns must face more severe restrictions, even being banned. So should we ban automobiles and swimming pools and open flame.

My other objection is that to truly keep children safe from guns (which I suppose would mean no gun fatalities or injuries at all) we would have to factor in the big unknown of human behavior. That means we must assume that those who are considered “safe” gun owners could at anytime experience a crisis or a mental health break which would make them “unsafe” gun owners. So there can be no true removal of a threat to children unless you severely restrict the use of firearms and ban them if children are likely to be present.

All of this means when I read an argument that claims “It’s for the children” I immediately suspect the true argument is “Your constitutional rights must take a back seat to my fearmongering.”


69 posted on 11/23/2014 8:43:23 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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This guy is a moron, their is a movement in the NDA to classify gun ownership as a health risk and a mental disorder.


70 posted on 11/23/2014 8:43:45 AM PST by dila813
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“40 hours training”

I am quite sure the gangs would get right on this idea.


71 posted on 11/23/2014 8:44:35 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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This Navy man is advocating increasing the government control over the ownership of weapons and expanding government employees to implement and train weapon owners. He's got a great solution that unfortunately has a great ability to be perverted by an obtrusive government that we are seeing with the Obama administration.
75 posted on 11/23/2014 9:15:19 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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This loser (Shawn VanDiver) is a serious leftist.

Major Obama backer and member of Organizing For America.

Member of Truman National Security Project Defense Council. It has Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden on its board of directors. Remember, he was the one discharged from the Navy for being a cocaine head.


77 posted on 11/23/2014 9:26:45 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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I think I qualify to comment on the 40/80 hours of government training for weapons training. Growing up in central Texas, I had 70 years of weapons training. I don't think the guberment instruction would make me much safer.

I agree that the Navy Vet should be able to comment on what he professes to be qualified on but I don't think the public should be allowed to carry torpedoes even with 40/80 hours of guberment training.

By the way, Guns are mounted on ships or other platforms. Weapons are carried by personnel.

78 posted on 11/23/2014 9:37:59 AM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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Serving in the military is no guarantee that you aren’t a mentally ill liberal. This screed is evidence.


79 posted on 11/23/2014 9:47:37 AM PST by Myrddin
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Who is funding this propagandist? Many of the statements he makes are nothing but pure propaganda and in many cases factually wrong. There is no “fringe” gun lobby just regular Americans. X hours of training? Just how does “hours” of training rather than knowledge, regardless of training, influence threat? And why does gun ownership need to be public? Could it be to harass, threaten, and intimidate those who don’t want to knuckle under to others? Where does public knowledge make people safe? This is disgusting propaganda.

Despite Americans becoming increasingly aware and educated regarding the threats to personal safety and health that are posed by the socialists, the socialists are simply increasing the push to oppress.


80 posted on 11/23/2014 9:52:52 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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Face it: the gun rights debate in this country is stale.

Not a correct statement. There is no gun rights debate or there should not be.
We have an exisiting Constitutional Right. PERIOD. You don’t like that right, then get the Admendment changed.


81 posted on 11/23/2014 9:54:45 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Repubiican or a Democrat.)
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I don’t give a flying “eff,” VanDiver, about you or your six year old son. I carry about liberty, freedom and the Constitution. You, Shawny boy, you fascist, are a pimple on the a$$ of a free America.


82 posted on 11/23/2014 9:55:50 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Amnesty is Obama's Way of Saying "FU" to all those who voted on November 4th)
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Do it for the children...

what a novel idea /s/s/s

84 posted on 11/23/2014 10:56:00 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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“How many shootings will it take before we adopt common sense gun control? “

How many anti-gun laws, beyond the 22,000 currently, before we consider re-defining “common sense”?


88 posted on 11/23/2014 12:34:21 PM PST by DPMD
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Appeal to authority logical fallacy in the headline, and it goes downhill from there.

No sale.


90 posted on 11/23/2014 12:38:03 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Gee, how nazi this clown is.


91 posted on 11/23/2014 12:59:48 PM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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This is awful.


98 posted on 11/23/2014 6:34:12 PM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Deciding Female Criminal Guilt By How Hot They Are Since 1999 !)
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