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I Hate Ayn Rand — But Here's Why my Fellow Conservatives Love Her
The Week ^ | July 23, 2014 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Misterioso

You’d be surprised who I ‘Knew” - especially in Chicago in the ‘60’s -

I’m not a ‘newby’ re Rand - I was already an ‘adult’ when Rand hit the nation’s attention - and through the Nathanial and Barbara and Frank days...et al

so rest you soul ;)


81 posted on 07/25/2014 8:46:49 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: maine-iac7

Ayn Rand didn’t live in Chicago.


82 posted on 07/25/2014 8:52:11 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: nickcarraway

“The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult”

“Written in 1972, this was the first piece of Rand revisionism from the libertarian standpoint.”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/understanding-ayn-randianism/

“...The rereading of Atlas was also important to the cult because the wooden, posturing, and one-dimensional heroes and heroines were explicitly supposed to serve as role models for every Randian. Just as every Christian is supposed to aim at the imitation of Christ in his own daily life, so every Randian was supposed to aim at the imitation of John Galt (Rand’s hero of heroes in Atlas). He was always supposed to ask himself in every situation “What would John Galt have done?” When we remind ourselves that Jesus, after all, was an actual historical figure whereas Galt was not, the bizarrerie of this injunction can be readily grasped. (Although from the awed way Randians spoke of John Galt, one often got the impression that, for them, the line between fiction and reality was very thin indeed.)

Her Bible

The Biblical nature of Atlas for many Randians is illustrated by the wedding of a Randian couple that took place in New York. At the ceremony, the couple pledged their joint devotion and fealty to Ayn Rand, and then supplemented it by opening Atlas – perhaps at random – to read aloud a passage from the sacred text.

Wit and humor, as might be gathered from this incident, were verboten in the Randian movement. The philosophical rationale was that humor demonstrates that one “is not serious about one’s values.” The actual reason, of course, is that no cult can withstand the piercing and sobering effect, the sane perspective, provided by humor. One was permitted to sneer at one’s enemies, but that was the only humor allowed, if humor that be..... “


83 posted on 07/25/2014 9:42:13 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: usconservative
You've lost me.

Your backhanded insult to Christians prompted my retort.

84 posted on 07/25/2014 10:50:11 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: verga

Yes, it has chapter synopses.


85 posted on 07/25/2014 11:30:11 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: EBH

Glenn Beck is right.

He’s proving that Conservatives are not the heartless racist people that liberals say we are.


86 posted on 07/25/2014 11:45:21 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RipSawyer

“I find so much undeniable truth in what Rand said in Atlas Shrugged that I simply look past anything I might not agree with. I am fairly certain that if I were to reread it now I would be astounded at how closely it describes the situation we are in now.”

A re-read is on my “to-do” list, however I keep putting it off because I am truly fearful of how it will be so very depressing to see the reflection of the progress that the progressives have made in our current society.....


87 posted on 07/25/2014 12:10:02 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: itsahoot
Your backhanded insult to Christians prompted my retort.

Sounds like you've got a personal problem there. I'm a Christian, there was noting backhanded or insulting in my comment.

88 posted on 07/25/2014 12:15:50 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: itsahoot
I just get tired of Christian's who declare her political, economic and moral objectivism views "irrelevant" because she's an atheist. Those are the folks who've typically not read a single page of Atlas Shrugged.

Clearly you're in the camp of Christians who've not read a single page of Atlas Shrugged.

Now that's an observation. If you really want me to start with the backhanded insults let me know. I'll oblige you. You can consider it an exercise in patience.

89 posted on 07/25/2014 12:20:03 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: nickcarraway

Atlas Shrugged is one of the landmark works of the last century.

It stands strong against the onslaught of socialism and government invasions and restrictions of individual rights and responsibility.

Notwithstanding, the author’a religious beliefs or lack thereof, or her personal behavior and other criticisms of her, the book is still influencing readers to believe in freedom from oppressive government.


90 posted on 07/25/2014 12:27:52 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ping


91 posted on 07/25/2014 1:08:55 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Oops, I pinged too soon. :)


92 posted on 07/25/2014 1:11:55 PM PDT by definitelynotaliberal (Go, Cruz! Go!)
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To: nickcarraway
"But I also, unlike Rand, believe in the virtue of empathy,..."

Stopped reading there because it's painfully obvious the author is clueless....

93 posted on 07/25/2014 1:15:07 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Publius

What again?

We already bought it. We’re going to ask JimRob to sign it when we go to the Texas
Cowboy Memorial Shoot in October, since he will be there at the same time.

;-)


94 posted on 07/25/2014 2:35:36 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: usconservative
Clearly you're in the camp of Christians who've not read a single page of Atlas Shrugged.

Mind reader now as well I see. I read it, liked a lot of it, do not like Ayn period, but that doesn't mean all her observations were wrong, she was very right in most of her writings. It is just wrong headed to proclaim there is no God because bad things happen.

95 posted on 07/25/2014 3:27:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Publius

Yeesh, everyone makes loving Rand such an either/or proposition. Either you like Rand OR you are a Christian. I am a lifelong Catholic, yet have read Atlas Shrugged at least 4 or 5 times, and have listened to the audiobook twice during my commute. Taking wisdom about economics from her does not mean I have to embrace every word she ever wrote, or every opinion she espoused.

The scene where the hobo describes what happened when the 20th Century Motor Corp. went full communist should be required reading. It shows very clearly what will happen if it truly is “from each according to ability, to each according to need.”. That story is the best in the book, IMHO.


96 posted on 07/25/2014 4:01:12 PM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: TheOldLady

If I were there, I’d happily autograph it. (JimRob’s autograph is probably worth more than mine, anyway.)


97 posted on 07/25/2014 5:01:43 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: nickcarraway
Again, as a Christian and as a conservative, I find Rand's Objectivism, to use a word she so liked, despicable.

Indeed.

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




98 posted on 07/25/2014 5:22:10 PM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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To: Publius; Billthedrill

Worth more? No, dear Publius. It’s a real keeper, and I won’t be selling it ever. If we ever go
to the same FReep, perhaps you can autograph it then, and maybe Btd will be there as well.


99 posted on 07/25/2014 6:43:54 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: rdb3

Yes. The only thing to remember is she grew up in a terrible system, and she never totally left that behind.


100 posted on 07/25/2014 7:44:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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