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To: JouleZ; xzins

“According to Bundy’s daughter on FB her gr-grandpa paid for pre-emptive rights to the land in 1887. He then sold those rights to his son and he gave them to Bundy.”

People claim a lot of things when they are not under oath. In court, the land he is grazing on was first rented from the BLM in 1954. Much of the land he is now grazing on is land he didn’t use even in 1998. If he had been using land he was entitled to, the court would have noted his arguments if only to reject them. But he does not have a track record that backs his claims up.

The guy is a liar. He is a cheat. The ranchers I know PAY for their grazing. He wants it for free. And he bases his wanting free grazing on his belief that the US government does not and cannot own land - which is directly contradicted by the US Constitution.


84 posted on 04/09/2014 6:16:33 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers; JouleZ

I also dispute that the US should be in the land owning business. The US doesn’t own the territory of the States United. And “property” that it owns is so limited that Jefferson said he was pushing the Constitution to the limit and probably outside it in buying the Louisiana purchase....that there was no constitutional permission to be buying land.

So, if this man’s claim about 1800’s usage by his own family is a lie, then he’s in the wrong.

If his claim is true, then he should receive a hearing as one who has over time established a right-of-way.

It is possible that many today are signing up for ObamaCare because they’re either having their arms twisted or because they’re absolutely baffled by this chaotic process. Years from now, they might say they were hoodwinked.

Years from now I’d agree with them.


85 posted on 04/09/2014 6:36:09 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mr Rogers

The BLM does not own the land. The people of the State of Nevada own the land. BLM are hired Fed janitors who are not needed in this case.

The reason this is important is because the citizens of the State do not need gov’t interference in their business. I believe THAT is supported in the Constitution.

Another interesting development is this “First Amendment Area” where citizens are placed inside barriers so they can hold a sign to protest peacefully. The Feds have no right to dictate where and when a tax-payer does that...especially in the middle of nowhere in Nevada!

Tazing and turning police dogs loose on peaceful citizens of a county is not Constitutional. Neither is stealing cattle...even if those animals are on what you consider Gov’t land. It’s inhumane.....see the videos. They ran those cattle to almost death with helicopters. All to save a turtle that’s lived there forever.


88 posted on 04/09/2014 7:19:53 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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