[ Reverse the Order.
The eternal libertarian chant, “give me gay marriage, drugs, and open borders today, and I will gladly pay you with the end of welfare and social programs and liberal voters, on Tuesday”.
Tell the libertarians to end welfare and social programs FIRST, then we will listen to their pro-immigration, anti-social conservative arguments. ]
AGREED! it is like leaving the overflowing kitchen sink faucett running while trying to mop up all the water on the floor and expecting the floor to stay dry....
You have GOT to turn the damned Spigot OFF before you start mopping up all the water.....
Libertarians know two things, that they won't be able to accomplish ending welfare and social programs, which is a conservative fight anyway (and always has been), and libertarians do know that their social liberalism is, and always has been a breeze to accomplish, and they advance it each year, and have since the 1960s, they also know that it creates even more democrat voters.
Libertarians know very well how immigrants and dopers, and hookers, and gays, and social liberals vote, and it isn't for conservatism and limited government.
Most small-l libertarians DO agree to minimize government involvement whether it be bennies or bans.