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Anyone thinking the vast majority of the American people don't have protecting the religious conscience rights of citizens is disconnected from reality and mired in doom and gloom.

What happened in Arizona was a combination of the media distorting the intent to the legislation, inept politicians that couldn't articulately defend the legislation (and or craft it) and gutless politicians that caved into political correctness.

1 posted on 02/28/2014 9:02:45 AM PST by Kazan
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It doesn't matter what most Americans believe.

Leftist and homosexual tyrants in black robes rule over us by decree.


2 posted on 02/28/2014 9:04:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Kazan

no shirts no shoes no service


3 posted on 02/28/2014 9:06:52 AM PST by lesko
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You don’t need religion. I have the right of association as we all do. Will I be forced to have a gay experience next?? Because that’s basically that’s what they’re feeding our kids.


4 posted on 02/28/2014 9:07:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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and many of those 85% voted for Willard, a guy who thinks that “Christian Photographer Have No Right to Turn Down Same-Sex Wedding Job” (2014)


5 posted on 02/28/2014 9:07:56 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Pretty soon, the child molesters will be suing because you won’t hire them as a babysitter!


6 posted on 02/28/2014 9:08:49 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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How about a baker asked to make a cake with two dudes on it? Was that in the poll?


7 posted on 02/28/2014 9:09:47 AM PST by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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Communicate you have a non-refundable deposit of 50%.

Communicate you will legally be required to shoot pictures, but you do not personally believe or support same-sex weddings. You’ll try, but sometimes you get quite upset and lose your concentration.

Communicate that the last gay “wedding” you did had lots of great close-ups of the ceiling and floor and you get so emotional that you tend to forget the centering of the wedding party picuturs and that whole “focusing the picture thingy.”

Communicate those are your terms and disclosures, but you’ll give it your best try.

Communicate you guarantee you will have at least 5 good pictures or they do not have to complete payment.

Put it in writing as best efforts under these terms and disclosures.

Or get out of the wedding picture biz.

OR, only work by multiple referral and do not advertise or accept any business that does not come to you by direct referral from multiple existing clients.

Or get out of the wedding picture biz.


8 posted on 02/28/2014 9:10:44 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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A SMART Christian Photog would take the job instead of risking a lawsuit, then “arrange” to hurl chunks when the groom and groom kiss each other.

It would certainly leave an impression, that’s for sure.


9 posted on 02/28/2014 9:12:54 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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Americans know slavery when they see it.

Forcing someone to do a job against their will or face extreme punishment is slavery, whether it is picking cotton in a field, baking a cake, or taking pictures at someone's wedding.

People should have the right to choose what they will or will not do. Nobody should have to power to walk into a stranger's business and demand that the person do a task for them or else lose their business and/or be personally bankrupted.

Nobody should be forced to live with the fear of wondering if today is the day that a total stranger will take my business away from me.

-PJ

10 posted on 02/28/2014 9:13:24 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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Look, I looked at the legislation. It could be used to do ANY denial of service based on religion.

You could have Christians refusing to serve Muslims or vice versa or Muslims refusing to serve pork etc.

Furthermore, I agree a person contracted for a gay wedding should have right of refusal before serving.

But, at the same time, no more public place like a restaurant should have the right to refuse service for that reason unless there is something additional, like lewd behavior, being loud, etc. Otherwise, we have no legitimate reason to say they can’t deny service to Jews, blacks etc.

I support the intent of the law. But, the law went much further.


11 posted on 02/28/2014 9:13:51 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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I was thinking about this because I toyed with the idea of becoming either a wedding photographer or a DJ. Baking a cake is bad enough, but you bake the cake and you’re done with it. You don’t have to attend the ceremony. With being a photographer, you have to attend the whole kit and caboodle and take pictures of the whole disgusting event, and we know how queers act when they’re in “party” mode. Same thing with being a DJ. You have to be there when all the kissing (yuk!) and other perversions are being acted out.


12 posted on 02/28/2014 9:14:08 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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I'm a photographer, but I don't do weddings. If I did, my response in a situation like this would be:

"My expertise is in shooting heterosexual weddings... which entails things like making the bride look beautiful, making the groom look handsome, making the couple look great together. A homosexual wedding has entirely different needs and special requirements. My expertise does not qualify me to properly portray the things a gay wedding photo shoot should portray, therefore it's best for all involved if you find a photographer who specializes in such events".

Mechanics are allowed to specialize in certain types of cars if they so choose, a programmer can specialize in certain programming languages, a chef can specialize in certain types of food, so a photographer should be able to specialize in certain types of weddings.

13 posted on 02/28/2014 9:17:37 AM PST by Cementjungle
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Must he prove his beliefs are “deeply held,” though? Anyone should be able to refuse service to anyone, for any reason. Specifying “deeply held religious beliefs” is problematic, IMO.


14 posted on 02/28/2014 9:18:31 AM PST by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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If a gay friend invites me to his gay wedding will I be forced to attend and have a gay time?

What if my gift isn’t tasteful enough?


15 posted on 02/28/2014 9:18:56 AM PST by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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If I can give senior citizen discounts why not a heterosexual discount? My standard price for a wedding is 100,000 but I give 95% discount when doing wedding for joining of opposite sex.


17 posted on 02/28/2014 9:23:41 AM PST by Raycpa
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18 posted on 02/28/2014 9:25:41 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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The same right to refuse would also apply to jews, blacks and muslims


19 posted on 02/28/2014 9:28:14 AM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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While what people think is important, let’s not overlook that this is a constitutional republic. And while the states have amended the Constitution to expressly protect religious expression, evidenced by the 1st Amendment, the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect so-called gay rights.

So the states are free to make laws which discriminate against gay agenda issues like same-sex marriage, as long as such laws don’t also unreasonably abridge constitutionally enumerated protections.

The reason that confusion concerning freedom of religious expression is dragging out is the following imo. Sadly, parents have not been making sure that their children are being taught how 10th Amendment-protected state povers versus constitutionally enumerated rights work. Consequently, patriots tremble in their boots when activist judges wrongly legislate gay rights from the bench.


25 posted on 02/28/2014 9:36:28 AM PST by Amendment10
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The question which begs to be asked is this:

Why the HELL are these gay couples asking Christians to provide services for them in the first place???

What happens if we reverse the roles???...

Lets say I’m an anti-gay heterosexual who cant keep my mouth shut about how wrong gays are about their behavior...

Lets say I want to get married, and I ask a gay photographer to perform his services (photography!) for me... and he refuses...

WHY WOULD I THEN SUE HIM????????

Has he not discriminated against my heterosexual beliefs???

WHY DO WE FAIL TO RECOGNIZE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE????!!!

It’s called legal harassment!...
They are abusing the legal system to persecute christians, and SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COUNTER SUE OVER IT!

DAMN!


26 posted on 02/28/2014 9:50:19 AM PST by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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Cataforically proves Brewer is a moron out of touch with the people, beholden to the media circus minority.


32 posted on 02/28/2014 9:59:28 AM PST by Viennacon
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