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Police chief claims his force has to switch to 9mm handguns… because U.S. military switched to .40?
Bearing Arms ^ | February 26, 2014 | Bob Owens

Posted on 02/26/2014 3:00:21 PM PST by EveningStar

I DIDN’T GET THAT MEMO: Georgia police chief claims his force has to switch to 9mm handguns… because U.S. military switched to .40?

A Georgia police force is switching to 9mm pistols. The Senoia Police Department says they are forced to make the switch due to the fact that they can’t find .40 S&W ammunition… because of the U.S. military’s switch to that caliber ...

The U.S. military has never widely issued a .40 S&W pistol, so I’m assuming that Chief Edens and Councilman Fisher stopped at the narcotics evidence locker before doing their interview with the Times-Herald.

I’m also assuming they have never heard of newfangled technology called “the Internet.” One can find .40 S&W ammunition all day long, in bulk, at LuckyGunner, AmmoSeek, AmmoToGo, BulkAmmo, and a host of other sites...

(Excerpt) Read more at bearingarms.com ...


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To: lostboy61

God bless, I would love to have one


41 posted on 02/26/2014 3:40:32 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: Bidimus1

I guess they think “if 13 rounds is good enough for John Browning then it is good enough for us”.


42 posted on 02/26/2014 3:42:06 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Bidimus1

I agree, they should have stayed with .45 not matter what platform they went to. 9mm is easier to shoot and hit with but it just doesn’t work very well for stopping bad guys in FMJ. I see all the NATO country sidearms where I work. The Brits and Australians were the last HP users but it seems the Brits have switched to Glock recently.


43 posted on 02/26/2014 3:45:49 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20

This of course will sound like “heresy” the best replacement for the 1911 was done back in the mid 1942.

For the most part few people are good enough with a hand gun to rely on it as a combat weapon, ergo the M1 carbine was created. Yes it was not a great rifle (compared to the M1 Garand esp) but as a replacement for pistol it was excellent imho.


44 posted on 02/26/2014 3:50:21 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: F15Eagle

1200 round box at the local Wally’s. Coastal OR.


45 posted on 02/26/2014 3:56:33 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Bidimus1

I have one of those. It is easy to shoot well and especially good for people like my wife and her friend because of the low recoil and noise compared to other rifles.


46 posted on 02/26/2014 3:58:33 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: EveningStar

The United States Secret Service uses .357 SIG, as do the Federal Air Marshals.

Just sayin’.


47 posted on 02/26/2014 3:58:55 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: ozzymandus
Did the military buy .22 conversion kits for all their M16s?

Years ago when there was a shortage of 5.56 ammo, we got .22 adapter kits and trained with that caliber.

48 posted on 02/26/2014 3:59:15 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: jospehm20

Yes I like mine as well, (IBM 1943) :)


49 posted on 02/26/2014 3:59:30 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: KeyLargo
"Glock's U.S. headquarters are in Smyrna which is less than 50 miles from the PD."

As usual, just "follow the money" and you'll probably find out the Chief bought these new pistols from his brother in law.

50 posted on 02/26/2014 4:01:15 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: South Dakota
My understanding is that the military is going back to the trusted 45 auto

I never understood why the military went to the 9mm. I shot the M1911 as a member of out unit's pistol team for years. The 9mm has less recoil, but the .45 will take down anyone with one well placed shot at center of mass.

51 posted on 02/26/2014 4:04:22 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: SkyDancer

Lewis and Clark expedition did have pellet rifles made in Austria. The rifles were powered by a large compressed air cylinder which was part of the rifle. The rifles could shoot about 20x from one pump up. The problem was that it took a huge number of pumps to get to full charge. Stories are that Lewis would show off the fire power to the Indians and that kept them from even thinking of giving the expedition any trouble.


52 posted on 02/26/2014 4:04:37 PM PST by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: noinfringers2
Right - read their story. Here's what I found about the rifle:

The Girandoni Air Rifle was an airgun designed by Tyrolian inventor Bartholomäus Girandoni circa 1779. The weapon was also known as the Windbüchse (”wind rifle” in German). One of the rifle’s more famous associations is its purported use on the Lewis and Clark Expedition to explore and map the western part of North America in the early 1800s.

53 posted on 02/26/2014 4:07:13 PM PST by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: yarddog
My personal belief is that using the best ammo in each, there isn’t a lot of difference between the 9mm, 40 S&W, and the .45 Auto.

I recently read a study of the results of various calibers, and there really wasn't much difference between those and even .38 specials when it came to stopping the bad guys. Below .38 did poorly, and .357 was similar to the others with the exception that it had much better one-shot stopping power.

54 posted on 02/26/2014 4:10:29 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The .357 magnum in it’s hottest loadings is a very powerful cartridge. The .357 Sig is supposed to be very close but I personally have never fired one.

It does sound like a good auto pistol cartridge tho.


55 posted on 02/26/2014 4:14:11 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: yarddog

The SS and the Air Marshals use the .357 SIG in the SIG Sauer P229, which holds 12 rounds. Twelve rounds of near .357 Magnum performance sounds pretty sweet.


56 posted on 02/26/2014 4:29:08 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: EveningStar

The military is not going to the .40. If anything they are using the .10mm in the MP5 for special ops and 1911 guns in .45. But not .40.. They have a boatload of l911’s in storage that were builty between 1941 and 1950 which are brand spankin new. Never been used.


57 posted on 02/26/2014 4:31:49 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: F15Eagle

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900 Round Sealed Container of 9mm Ammo by Tula - 115gr FMJ $0.36/rd [$323.00] in stock SteelCase [BulkAmmo]
100 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by MBI - 124gr FMJ $0.36/rd [$35.75] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
BLZR BRASS 9MM 115GR FMJ 350/CAN $0.36/rd [$124.99] in stock FMJ [Firearms for Sale]
CCI Speer Lawman 9mm Luger 124gr TMJ Ammunition 50/box 53616 $0.36/rd [$17.99] in stock SelfDefense [Natchez]
Speer Lawman 9mm 147 Grain TMJ Ammunition - 50 Rounds per Box 8 hours ago $0.36/rd [$17.87] in stock SelfDefense [Ammunition Depot]
GECO 9mm 124gr FMJ IPSC APPROVED (1000 rounds) $0.37/rd [$365.00] in stock FMJ [Murphy’s Ammo]
9mm 115 Grain FMJ Sellier & Bellot - 500 Rounds $0.37/rd [$184.99] in stock FMJ [Surplus Ammo]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Aguila - 124gr FMJ 3 hours ago $0.37/rd [$370.00] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
100 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Tula - 115gr FMJ $0.37/rd [$36.95] in stock SteelCase [BulkAmmo]
VET-Made Ammo, 9mm, 115 grain, Plated RN - 500 count remanufactured $0.37/rd [$185.00] back-order Remanufactured [Brass by Bill]
Federal American Eagle 9 mm 115 Grain 100 Round Box $0.37/rd [$36.99] in stock [AmmoFast]
9mm 115 Grain FMJ Sellier & Bellot - 50 Rounds $0.38/rd [$18.99] in stock FMJ [Surplus Ammo]
CCI Blazer Handgun Brass CF Brass Pistol Ammunition 5200, 9mm, Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), 115 GR, 1145 fps, 50 Rd/bx $0.38/rd [$18.99] in stock FMJ [Able Ammo]
PMC Green Line Pistol Ammunition 9EMG, 9mm, Encased Metal Jacket Non-Toxic, 124 GR, 50 Rd/bx $0.38/rd [$18.99] in stock [Able Ammo]
Winchester 9mm Luger 124gr FMJ 50 Rnds $0.38/rd [$18.95] in stock FMJ [RareAmmo]
Winchester USA9MMVP 9mm 115gr FMJ 100rd Value Pack $0.38/rd [$37.99] in stock FMJ [Cope’s]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by PMC - 115gr FMJ $0.38/rd [$380.00] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Fiocchi - 115gr FMJ $0.38/rd [$380.00] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Magtech - 115gr FMC $0.38/rd [$379.00] in stock [BulkAmmo]
9MM BLAZER BRASS 115 GRAIN FMJ #5200 1000 ROUNDS DELIVERED $0.39/rd [$389.00] in stock FMJ [Ammoman]
50 Rounds of 9mm Remanufactured Ammo by BVAC - 115gr CPRN $0.39/rd [$19.50] in stock Remanufactured [BulkAmmo]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by PMC - 124gr FMJ $0.39/rd [$385.00] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
Remington 9mm 115gr Flat Nose Soft Point, Enclosed Base 50rd Box (LL9MM11) $0.39/rd [$19.74] in stock Hunting [Goose Island]
PMC FMJ 9MM 115 Grain 50 Rounds per Box $0.40/rd [$19.99] in stock FMJ [AmmoFast]
National Police Ammunition 9MM 100 Grain Lead Free Non Jacketed Frangible Remanufactured NPAF9 Ammo - 50 Rounds per Box $0.40/rd [$19.97] in stock Remanufactured [Ammunition Depot]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Aguila - 124gr FMJ $0.40/rd [$19.75] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
PMC Bronze Line Pistol Ammunition 9G, 9mm, Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), 124 GR, 1110 fps, 50 Rd/bx 5 hours ago $0.40/rd [$19.99] in stock FMJ [Able Ammo]
300 Round Battle-Pack of 9mm Ammo by PMC - 115gr FMJ $0.40/rd [$119.00] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
Estate Range Pistol Ammunition ESH9115, 9mm, Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), 115 GR, 1150 fps, 50 Rd/bx $0.40/rd [$19.99] in stock FMJ [Able Ammo]
9mm Luger (9x19mm) 115 gr FMJ PMC Case (1000 rds) $0.40/rd [$399.80] in stock FMJ [TheArmory]
Winchester 9mm 147gr Truncated Cone Handgun Ammo 7 hours ago $0.40/rd [$19.99] in stock [Sportsman’s Warehouse]
9mm 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket CCI Blazer Brass Ammunition - 50 Rounds 6 hours ago $0.40/rd [$19.99] in stock FMJ [Surplus Ammo]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by PMC - 115gr FMJ $0.41/rd [$20.50] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
9MM PMC 115 GRAIN FULL METAL JACKET #9A 1000 ROUNDS DELIVERED $0.41/rd [$405.00] in stock FMJ [Ammoman]
1000 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Speer - 124gr TMJ RN $0.41/rd [$405.00] in stock TMJ [BulkAmmo]
250 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Magtech - 115gr FMC $0.41/rd [$102.00] in stock [BulkAmmo]
PMC 9mm Luger 115 gr e-Range EMJ 50/box 9EMA $0.42/rd [$20.99] in stock [Natchez]
9MM MAGTECH 115 GRAIN FULL METAL CASE #9A 1000 ROUNDS DELIVERED $0.42/rd [$415.00] in stock [Ammoman]
600 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Remington - 115gr MC $0.42/rd [$249.00] in stock [BulkAmmo]
9MM SPEER LAWMAN FMJ 115 GRAIN #53650 1000 ROUNDS DELIVERED $0.42/rd [$415.00] in stock SelfDefense [Ammoman]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by PMC - 124gr FMJ $0.42/rd [$20.85] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics Pistol Ammunition 9X21, 9mm X 21 mm, Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), 123 GR, 1280 fps, 50 Rd/bx 10 hours ago $0.42/rd [$21.12] in stock FMJ [Able Ammo]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by BVAC - New - 124gr JHP $0.42/rd [$20.95] in stock SelfDefense [BulkAmmo]
CCI Speer Blazer Brass 9mm 115 Grain Full Metal Jacket BRASS CASE 50 Round Box $0.42/rd [$20.99] in stock FMJ [iAmmo]
Remington UMC Pistol Ammunition 9MM 115GR JHP $0.42/rd [$20.99] in stock SelfDefense [Cabelas]
9mm Sinterfire Greenline 90 Grain RHVF Bullet 1350 fps Lead Free 50 Round Box SF9-90GL $0.42/rd [$20.79] in stock LeadFree [CheaperThanDirt]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Federal - 124gr FMJ $0.43/rd [$21.50] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Blazer Brass - 115gr FMJ $0.43/rd [$21.50] in stock FMJ [BulkAmmo]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Magtech - 124gr FMC $0.43/rd [$21.50] in stock [BulkAmmo]
100 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Remington - 115gr MC $0.43/rd [$42.95] in stock [BulkAmmo]
PMC Bronze Line Pistol Ammunition 9B, 9mm, Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP), 115 GR, 1160 fps, 50 Rd/bx $0.43/rd [$21.50] in stock SelfDefense [Able Ammo]
50 Rounds of 9mm Ammo by Speer Lawman - 115gr TMJ $0.43/rd [$21.25] in stock SelfDefense [BulkAmmo]

And that’s only a third of what is out there.


58 posted on 02/26/2014 4:48:48 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Mastador1

Agreed. It’s as though the intent is to make the force weaker.


59 posted on 02/26/2014 4:49:57 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You may have the same bots, but yes, there is a dry spell in online 22lr right now. Velly intelestink!


60 posted on 02/26/2014 4:59:56 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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