Posted on 11/14/2013 6:36:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Writing at RedState, Erick Erickson argues that, in championing the Upton billwhich would make millions of Americans health-insurance plans legal again for the next year Republicans are walking into a trap. He writes that the bill, proposed by Representative Fred Upton (R., Mich.), does not have anything in it that can force insurance companies . . . to keep insurance plans going. Meanwhile, Senator Mary Landrieus bill, which, Erickson writes, the Democrats love . . . mandates [that] insurance companies have to keep people on their present insurance. He then predicts the following result:
The House, with the help of a good number of Democrats, will pass the Upton plan and send it to the Senate. Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu plan and send it back to the House. The House will be forced to either vote for the Landrieu plan or be characterized as siding with insurance companies against people.
In one fell swoop, the Democrats will have the GOP on record saving Mary Landrieus re-election in Louisiana by casting her as the one who saved Americans health care plans, and also getting on record as really being in favor of fixing Obamacare with the use of mandates.
In truth, Obamacare is not fixable. The only solution is to fully repeal it. The Republicans should not be helping Democrats with their re-election plans, which is all the are doing with Upton/Landrieu.
Erickson is certainly right that Obamacare is not fixable, that Republican shouldnt be trying to fix it in any event, and that the only real solution to Obamare is to repeal it (which cant happen until President Obama has a complete ideological or psychological conversion, about 40 percent of Senate Democrats jump ship, or we hit January 20, 2017 whichever comes first). Hes also right that the Upton bill wont bring back to life all of the plans that Obamacare has already killed off with its coercive mandates. But hes wrong that its a trap. Or, rather, hes wrong that its a trap for Republicans.
The Upton bill helps put Obamas oft-repeated you can keep it lie even more front-and-center. More important, it puts red-state and swing-state Senate Democrats in the position where they have to decide between defying Obama on his centerpiece legislation or else saying that they dont think their constituents who like their plans should be able to keep their plans. In short, it puts them in an impossible place and helps solidify their status as sitting ducks a year from now.
Moreover and important the Upton bill would not help fix Obamacare. To the contrary, if it were to become law, it would badly undermine Obamacares exchanges, which would then be drained of millions of (previously insured and hence generally healthier) people whom Obama wanted to compel to buy exchange-based plans by banning their preferred plans. In short, Upton would hurt Obamacare, not fix it which is why Obama opposes it.
As for Landrieus bill, if Republicans cant successfully argue that Congress has no constitutional power to compel commerce (the basic point of the successful in that vein challenge to Obamacare under the Commerce Clause), if they cant argue that Congress has no power to compel anyone to sell an insurance plan, or, by extension, to compel a doctor to see a patient, etc., then were in sad shape.
Obamacare made millions of peoples plans illegal. By passing the Upton bill, House Republicans would be striving to make them legal again for the next year. If insurers nevertheless choose to stop offering those plans, it will still be Obamacare that set that trend in motion. Whats more, the GOP would then be free to criticize those insurers and remind voters that, over the next decade, Obamacare would funnel a stunning $1 trillion from American taxpayers, via Washington, to insurers (according to the Congressional Budget Office). Meanwhile, Landrieus bill is more of the heavy-handed, coercive model of government that gave us Obamacare to begin with, and Republicans should say so.
Finally, Landrieus bill would undermine the Obamacare exchanges at least as much as Uptons bill would. So the Democrats certainly dont love it, and its highly unlikely they would ever pass it. But if they did, and if the House and Senate ended up reconciling Upton and Landrieu in conference, the clear loser would be Obamacare whose exchange population would just have gotten older, sicker, and costlier.
And then around October 2014, all of those notices about losing your health plan because of Obamacare would start being mailed out again, just in time to help voters make an informed choice on November 4.
House Republican should pass the Upton bill and let Senate Democrats decide what to do with it. The range of bad options facing the party of Obamacare will further illustrate that, just because they like their government takeover of health care, they cant necessarily keep their government takeover of health care.
Jeffrey H. Anderson is executive director of the newly formed 2017 Project, which is working to advance a conservative reform agenda.
I like Upton's plan because it c ompletely undermines any shred of feasibility that obamacare ever had. Keeping current policies at current costs makes obamacare impossibly expensive. But what it really does is put the screws to the rats. If it passes the House, and it probably will...what does Reid do? He has to let it or Landrieu's bill come to the floor. If it passes it goes to obama and he can veto or sign. If he signs the bill it weakens obamacare to the point of unsustainablilty...if he vetoes it he delivers a HUGE issue for the GOP to run on in the fall. One so golden that even the idiots at the RNC couldn't fail to capitalize on.
If it includes 100 Watt Upton, it’s a trap.
“I dont know why the talk radio hosts are opposing....”
Myself, I don’t think the Republicans should come anywhere near even touching 0care. They can “spiritually” support Landrieu or Upton, but if they join up with the effort, they will be portrayed as recalcitrant saboteurs.
This is the cleanest issue yet wrt tossing Dems out of office, making them very, very nervous, and thus likely to make mistakes.
Just let it lie.
0care was perfect as passed. (/s) The proof? The people who passed it are scared out of their minds and will be forced to reverse their positions time after time until it becomes even more clear that it’s a trainwreck.
How do these Dems run next time?
Wrong IMHO. Passing the bill to ‘fix’ Obamacare makes Republicans culpable for all problems that ensue.
Voting for fix = huge mistake.
Right now, the Dems own it completely. Do we really want to own it with them?
So here’s the vote:
“Do you want to fix Obamacare?”
Yay or Nay?
It’s like:
“Do you want to continue beating your wife?”
Yay or Nay?
It’s a TRAP! There’s no right answer!!
THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS TO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I am not going to answer because I do not accept the premiss.
Abstain.
Vote ‘Present’
Don’t fix it; kill it...repeal ObamaCare. We, the People, aren’t interested in anything else.
A little late for that, they voted repeal ~ 50 times
Perfect time for GOP to offer and vote for bills that undermine that law under the guise of reform, like bills that remove mandates. (remove them for all policies outside of exchanges)
But make them all popular sounding “The healthcare personal freedom amendment”, “The you choose your doctor” amendment.
Fight like Dems do!
“I disagree. They should be doing nothing but reminding people that this crap passed without a single republican vote”
You’re absolutely right. They should so nothing.
But they have to vote: They certainly can’t vote Yes. And they can’t Vote ‘NO’ to the (supposed) ‘fix’ either. Either way and they’re ‘doing something.’ Both options are bad.
Must abstain and vote ‘present’ (like Obama did 129 times)
Not in this environment, no. People are white-hot angry about Obamacide. You think the Democrats are squirming now? Squeeze the bastards until they BLEED. Repeal.
Message to Republicans in the US House: Get your hands off Obamacare, stop trying to fix it, LEAVE IT ALONE!!! It is a pure disaster for the Democrats so stop trying to bail them out. Stand back and let them wallow in it, turn on each other and make it even a bigger disaster.
Harry Reid will turn the Upton bill into the Landrieu bill. They will go to conference and well get 90% of the Landrieu bill (with many more little hidden gotchas, no doubt).
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Exactly!
And we all know the GOPe won’t have the balls to NOT vote for this POS! These gutless wonders fear the MSM more than the people who vote for them.
Hate to be pessimistic, but I fear the Stupid Party has already made plans to make the STUPID move on this.
Agreed.
Here’s a new bill for Congress:
‘Should we stop executing innocent people with shotguns and start executing them with pistols instead?’
For the record, Mr. Congressman - and your re-election is riding on it:
Do you vote Yay or Nay?
See my point?
YAY means we should execute innocent people with shotguns.
NAY means we should execute innocent people with pistols.
This is the Upton bill.
Abstaining is the only acceptable way to vote on this.
Must vote Present.
Anyone who doesn't understand we'll never be able to argue against the Senate taking over this process, never be able to argue against a Fred Upton bill with teeth, a bill that will at least temporarily show the world that the democrats care, that the dems ARE the good guys, that the pubbies are now voting with them and showing it's the EEVIL insurance companies who are at fault is....
a bigger fool than Fred Upton. And let's face it, the only thing good about Fred Upton is his niece........
Just stick with full repeal, who cares how many times its vetoed and overridden by the dems. As long as we send them lifelines, they'll be able to blame us, as long as we keep 100% opposition, they own it, wear it, and will finally suffer for it.
You’re ignoring an effect that is very, very real, in my experience:
If you are carpenter #2 and are called in by a client to fix another carpenter’s screw-up...and you do not execute *perfectly*....you will be branded with *all* of the screwups of carp #1 AND whatever you managed to either screw up or not be able to do. And/or, if you are a carpenter, same scenario, and large amounts of materials have been destroyed or rendered unusable by the actions of carp #1, you will have to not only spend time undoing the errors of carp #1 (which is time charged that does not go to the completion of the task) *and* being responsible for the excess costs of replacing the rendered-unusable materials.
It is virtually an unwinnable situation and many times you will see professionals turn down such work.
The Dems cannot see the future, that’s why they passed this POS. The Republicans cannot see the future but they additionally cannot and will not listen to anyone but their consultant class, who are parasites (like Rove) who have no particular insight *except* their insight into how panicked the Repubs can and will get should they perceive themselves vulnerable.
I go back to the illustration I stole from someone: The Harlem Globetrotters vs. The Washington Generals. The Globetrotters needed the Generals, to lose, so they (the G’s) could do their show. The Republicans just want to lose, so that they get to suck at the trough as the #2 team. This effort will continue that.
What Republicans should do now is to insist that 0care cover illegal aliens.
“Message to Republicans in the US House: Get your hands off Obamacare, stop trying to fix it, LEAVE IT ALONE!!! It is a pure disaster for the Democrats so stop trying to bail them out. Stand back and let them wallow in it, turn on each other and make it even a bigger disaster.”
100% agree. Do not touch.
“100% agree. Do not touch”
Yes. But herein lies the trap! Putting a bill up for a vote is FORCING a ‘touch’. Yay or Nay and we lose!
Must get all Repubs to abstain and vote present. It’s the only way!
You misunderstand. They should do “nothing” to save or aid the bill in any way, shape or form.
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