[silverleaf]

not BS when the potus of the US is a deranged narcissist who sees this issue as personal and therefore above the interests of the nation

and the entire democrat party backs him

shutdown would not stop these people but would glorify their cause as vulnerable Americans people suffer because yes, the democrats will stop military pay (notice already out to be prepared) and they will stop social security checks

speaking of hostage takers

[grimalkin]

Understood, however, we need to fight them now instead of later. Later will be too late; there is no "later". OzeroCare will never go away if not killed off now. The Dims will hold us hostage and then we shove it down their throats. This is not going to be fun, but the correct thing must be done.

If Obamacare gets funding, the suffering of millions is a guarantee. Middle class families have red dots on their chests.