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Rand Paul: GOP ‘probably can’t defeat’ Obamacare [Reid, McCain concur. Wrong! Read on]
Politico ^ | Sept 21, 2013 | By Adam Sneed

Posted on 09/22/2013 11:10:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: BarnacleCenturion

B/S. Read James Madison’s words and instructions to the House to block runaway government in Federalist no 58 (excerpted and linked above in comment no 1). The House has the power to deny funds through the appropriations clause. Read it and weep.


21 posted on 09/22/2013 11:36:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I dunno.

Of every single Republican in the House or the Senate, I have seen one (and only one) Republican stand up strong and resolute.

Cruz.

Palin isn’t in the House or the Senate, but she seems to be the only other person out there.

I think you may be under-estimating Cruz.


22 posted on 09/22/2013 11:37:57 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I didn’t attack Rand Paul I demonstrated where he was wrong. Perhaps he’ll be able to see the light. Read Federalist No. 58. James Madison was no piker.


23 posted on 09/22/2013 11:39:35 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Then what good are you, Randy?


24 posted on 09/22/2013 11:41:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Paul just gave the enemy a shot in the arm.

..aiding and abetting the enemy...

a ‘caver’ - not presidential material

25 posted on 09/22/2013 11:42:21 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: The Cajun
He sees Ted Cruz as his biggest challenge to the GOP nomination. Anything he can do to diminish Cruz now is a help to him.

I've been watching Rand since he came to prominence, and it seems to me that he wants it too much.

Ted wants it too, but he's been very gracious in crediting Paul whenever possible.

That's character.

26 posted on 09/22/2013 11:43:17 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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27 posted on 09/22/2013 11:45:26 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: oldbrowser

how can we win @ the 2014 election boxes while elections are grossly and transparently fraudulent, and no one is even speaking about stopping the fraud?


28 posted on 09/22/2013 11:46:16 AM PDT by stickywillie (how come there are no father-in-law jokes?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Obama threatens to shutdown the government, but he won’t. He’s a coward. A petulant child throwing a tantrum because he cannot get his way. If Reid/Obama attempt to shutdown the government, they’ll lose big time. The People (the ones who count and there are enough of us) see through this crap. Let the whiners howl. we the people have the House’s back all the way.

A government shutdown accomplishes nothing but laying off a bunch of dead weight federal employees anyway. Bring it on.

If Obama/Reid & the GOP-e wish to see another tea party sweep in 2014/2016, I see no better way than to piss on the people.

Rebellion is brewing!

Don’t tread on me!


29 posted on 09/22/2013 11:47:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law;

It wouldn't be surprising if some "experts" try to argue that the House is obligated to fund Obamacare as a consequence of it being the established "Law of the Land," Madison & the wisdom of true Constitutional scholars be damned. Don't count on the current SCOTUS to rule on this point -- the time to act is NOW anyway.

Let's see who steps up to do what they were elected to do ...

30 posted on 09/22/2013 11:47:12 AM PDT by mikrofon (NObamacare)
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Washington probably couldn’t have defeated the Royal Empire either.


31 posted on 09/22/2013 11:47:31 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: oldbrowser

Shut the gov’t down until Nov 2014.


32 posted on 09/22/2013 11:47:34 AM PDT by Paladin2 (h)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Rand is a little green (inexperienced) and Cruz probably comes from a conventional conservative point of view while libertarians still can shift based on which way the wind blows, it’s something like this if not exactly.


33 posted on 09/22/2013 11:47:58 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Psst ... lest we forget, 2014 is an election year in which several seats in the democratic-controlled US Senate are in play.

Just sayin'

34 posted on 09/22/2013 11:48:00 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: BarnacleCenturion
That’s not what this is about.

You got your opinion, I got mine.

Defeatism being portrayed is not what we need right now.

I'm damned tired of political considerations taking precedent over what's right for the country, that's why we're in the shape we're in, holding on by a thread.

Paul is either with us us on stopping OBozocare or he's not.
Saying it can't be stop is not with us, plus not true.

35 posted on 09/22/2013 11:48:30 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: RugerMini14

Paul is also on record urging conservatives to accept immigration reform. No, thanks. I’ll take Ted Cruz.


36 posted on 09/22/2013 11:50:49 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“Paul’s statements are devastating cryptonite at this point in the debate”

You are blowing it out of proportion. This was an off the cuff remark answering some guys question. Cruz said the same thing last week in a press release, before the house voted. Many people in the house were not happy about that.

If the filibuster succeeds, we are going into a government shutdown. Obama has no reason to negotiate. In a shutdown he can spend the money coming in, in any way that he wants. And then at some point the republicans will cave because the government can’t stay shutdown forever. Many people haven’t really thought this through.


37 posted on 09/22/2013 11:51:54 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: tallyhoe

Is she off Team Rand yet?


38 posted on 09/22/2013 11:52:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
That's character.

Difference between a statesman and a politician.
I truly believe Cruz is a statesman.

39 posted on 09/22/2013 11:54:15 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Rand is being practical, but he also says he's not giving in. From the article:

“I will continue to lead the fight until we win,” he said. “I will not vote for any CR that funds Obamacare and if there is one penny for Obamacare I will vote no.

Everybody call your senators!
40 posted on 09/22/2013 11:55:30 AM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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