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To: GarySpFc
GarySpFc: "Col 2:9 is the only use of (theotēs) in the N.T.
Clearly 2:9 does not refer to all Christians."

Yes, but Ephesians 3:19 does, and with the same "fullness" you used to claim Paul wants us to believe that Jesus is God Himself.

GarySpFc: "Firstly, I studied under a Jew for 9 years, and I understand their beliefs. Secondly, Luke was a NT writer and a gentile. Thirdly, God defines His attributes throughout the Word. Fourthly, you are wrong on all points."

And Luke says explicitly that Jesus is God Himself where, exactly?

2,486 posted on 12/29/2013 2:52:29 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
GarySpFc: "Col 2:9 is the only use of (theotēs) in the N.T. Clearly 2:9 does not refer to all Christians."

Yes, but Ephesians 3:19 does, and with the same "fullness" you used to claim Paul wants us to believe that Jesus is God Himself.

Nonsense! You are confusing divinity and deity. Go learn the difference between divinity(theioes) and deity (theotes). Things are divine if they are from God or associated with God, whereas God is (theotes). Now put away your childish reference to Ephesians 3:19. It's nothing more than mere pettifogging.

In fact, if John had merely wanted to affirm that Jesus was divine, there was a perfectly proper Greek word for it: θεῖος (theios, divine) (R. Brown 1966: 5; Bultmann 1971: 33–34; Carson 1991: 117). Nevertheless, the force of the anarthrous θεός is probably not so much that of definiteness as that of quality: Jesus “shared the essence of the Father, though they differed in person” (Wallace 1996: 269). Everything that can be said about God also can be said about the Word (Morris 1995: 68; Wallace 1996: 735). By contrast, wisdom is never referred to as θεός. Köstenberger, A. J. (2004). John (pp. 28–29). Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic.

2,577 posted on 12/30/2013 10:30:57 AM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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