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To: spirited irish; betty boop
spirited irish: "Evolution, according to Lewis, is a lie of the greatest magnitude.
It is a Big Lie, not a small fib, but a Big Lie."

Except, of course, that it's not.
Basic evolution is a simple scientific theory built on two confirmed facts: 1) descent with modifications and 2) natural selection.
So, it's inconceivable to me that this simple theory is what CS Lewis meant by "evolution" when calling it a "radical and central lie".
I would have to presume Lewis was referring to something quite different, and indeed, he immediately tells us exactly what that is (your post #183):

Please, please note that what offended Lewis so greatly as to use such strong language is not evolution theory itself, but rather the fanatical attitudes of it defenders.
Indeed, if we remember that at the time, 1951, the whole world was still in shock and horror over the deaths of tens of millions murdered in the name of a Darwinian "super-race".
So Lewis was not writing theoretically, or esthetically, or even logically, but overwhelmingly emotionally in horror at what "fanatical attitudes" had just done.

That's why I think, were Lewis alive today, he might listen to all the arguments and facts and decide as I believe that evolution is a confirmed theory which represents just one tool in our Creator G*d's creation tool box.

spirited irish: "Lurking behind ‘scientific’ evolutionary religion is neo- Gnostic hatred of Yahweh, the evil demiurge and inept creator of bad matter."

Sorry, but I can't even translate that sentence into normal English, and so it must surely be rubbish of the worst sort.
The real truth of the matter is that nothing "lurks behind" any scientific theory except the original Thomasian distinction between theology derived from the Bible and natural-philosophy derived from our senses.

If anybody injects their own personal religious ideas into science, that is only them speaking, not science itself.
Tell me, please, why is that so hard for you to grasp?

spirited irish: "Modern Gnostic pantheist religion is a syncretic, dualistic, evolutionary religion holding that divine sparks..."

I'll take your word for it, but none of that has anything to do with science.
Again, I'll recommend, if you wish to clear your mind of endless rubbish and nonsense, start with St. Thomas Aquinas:

Shorter Summa

spirited irish: "To modern evolutionary theists it also means that if true then Yahweh is not responsible for death, suffering and other evils but rather the devil and fallen men are."

I think the theological answer may relate to the fact that life without a God-given soul is unaware of its own future death...
But here we simply must confront the fact that the fossil record is just that: a record of life and death dating back hundreds of millions of years.
To claim otherwise is to fly in the face of all reason, so let me gladly give the last, very famous, words to another great Doctor of the Church, St. Augistine of Hippo, writing circa 420 AD:


242 posted on 10/02/2013 3:30:02 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

The Ancient and Medieval Church made sure that the best educated men were the priests and the bishops, not some random semiliterate from the mountains.


244 posted on 10/02/2013 4:12:43 PM PDT by R7 Rocket (The Cathedral is Sovereign, you're not. Unfortunately, the Cathedral is crazy.)
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To: BroJoeK; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; YHAOS

There are some who desire truth above all else and those who don’t. The entirety of your response is a reaction against truth that arrogantly dresses itself up in the words of St. Augustine and Aquinas. What do these faithful believers who loved truth have to do with hatred of truth? Nothing. And if they were alive now, what would these two faithful believers have to do with the apostasy of evolutionary pantheist religionists? Other than strongly rebuking it they would have nothing to do with
it, for what has the Temple of the living, personal God to do with idols (evolutionary pantheism)? 2 Cor.6:16

Years ago, long-time Vatican observer Malachi Martin (1921-1999) described a situation in which the Curia is divided between ‘progressive’ (evolutionary pantheists) and ‘traditionalists;’ between adherents of evolutionary conceptions such as Teilhard de Chardin’s Hermetic, quasi-Hindu idea, abortion, women and ‘gay’ priests, and openness to non-Christian nature religions and philosophies and those who oppose such an agenda. According to Martin, ‘progressives’ hold all the important positions of power, and so are able to bring about a major revolution that if unchecked will constitute,

“....one of the most spectacular expressions of apostasy in the modern era, dressed up in all the traditional robes and much of the terminology of Christianity but denying its essence.” (ibid, Jesus and the Den of Thieves, SCP Journal, Jones, p. 17)

With every word you have written you declare your unity with apostasy disguised as ‘science’ and dressed up in the traditional robes and terminology of Christianity but denying the living, personal Holy God in three persons in favor of evolutionary conceptions speaking of a pantheist entity in process of becoming.


246 posted on 10/03/2013 3:14:56 AM PDT by spirited irish
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