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To: Alamo-Girl
Alamo-Girl: "Outside the laboratory, the boundaries of science (methodological naturalism) have not been honored for a very, very long time."

Sure, but the world is chock full of sales-people hoping to sell you on something or other.
99.99% of them we ignore, and so with scientists hoping to sell you their religions beliefs.
It's still a "free country", and people are free to hawk whatever legal substance they think somebody will buy.
And it's still caveat emptor -- let the buyer beware.

So, obviously, what's needed is a "DO NOT CALL" register for people who seriously don't want to listen to a bunch of nonsense.

Alamo-Girl: "There are too many people doing theology and philosophy under the color of science, in particular Dawkins, Singer, Lewontin, Pinker."

Now that you mention it, I've never heard of any of those people, except Dawkins, and him only because the name appears so frequently on these threads.
And I didn't sign up for any particular "DO NOT CALL" register, so how are these folks such a problem for you?

Alamo-Girl: "And then there are the politicians and activists who torture science to authenticate their own agendas."

If you mean, i.e., AlGore's Glo-Bull Warming, I'm all in with you, FRiend.

Alamo-Girl: "It is disingenuous to tolerate these abuses while complaining about those who support an intelligent design hypothesis."

I don't "tolerate" any abuse, Glo-Bull Warming or otherwise.
But evolution is a valid confirmed scientific theory, and "intelligent design" is not even a scientifically expressed hypothesis.

Of course, as a religious-theological belief, I agree that G*d created the Universe, and all its scientific laws, for His purposes of which we are an instrument.
So, as long as we don't call that "science", I have no problem with it, FRiend.

223 posted on 10/02/2013 3:56:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK; YHAOS; betty boop; MHGinTN; TXnMA; R7 Rocket; tacticalogic; hosepipe; metmom; marron
Thank you for sharing your insights and concerns, dear BroJoeK!

The problem is that the abusers of science – those who do theology and philosophy under the color of science – hold positions of great power and influence. For instance,

Steven Pinker – Harvard Professor and father of the animal rights movement.

Peter Singer – Princeton Professor of Bioethics, promotes animal liberation and infanticide

Richard Lewontin – Harvard Professor until 1998, Marxist evolution biologist and geneticist who admits his political views affects his science.

Richard Dawkins – Oxford Professor, ethologist and evolution biologist, atheist activist who obviously does atheism and anti-Christianity/anti-Judaism under the color of science. Notably, the atheist activists have not attacked Islam...

The potential consequence in political terms can be visualized as bodies stacked liked cordwood in the Nazi and Marxist genocides and presently in the slaughter of the unborn.

And presently, those very abusers of science and their minions in academia, media, peer review, judiciary and politics suppress virtually all discussion of intelligent cause.

Truly, the statement that “things change over time” is just as obvious and trivial as the intelligent design hypothesis which simply states:

“Certain features of the universe and life are best explained by intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.”

After all, higher life forms are known to chose their mates, ergo “intelligent cause.”

And since God alone is the only candidate for uncaused caused, He remains the only explanation for the origin of space/time, inertia, anisotropy, information (successful communication, Shannon), autonomy, function and of course, life.

So far, scientists can only offer explanation for the present earth or universe by moving the goalpost to prior universes or life forms. For instance, both Dawkins and Crick accept panspermia as a possible explanation of the origin of life on earth though they can neither explain the rise of life in the universe. And all physical cosmologies - other than Tegmark’s level IV parallel universe which posits that 4D is a manifestation of mathematical structures which actually do exist outside of space and time – are open, meaning that they likewise cannot explain physical origin ex nihilo (e.g. multi-verse, multi-world, ekpyrotic, cyclic, hesitating, imaginary time.)

Bottom line, this is a fight over the conscience of men – particularly the young and impressionable.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. – Ephesians 6:12

Remember how easily the Germans bought into the term untermenschen and thereby could slaughter Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Serbs and Russians as not actually being human – and likewise how easily “modern” women can “terminate a pregnancy” because the fetus is not actually human.

We will continue to engage in this debate, wrestling the dictionary away from the abusers and pursuing clarity because God’s Name is I AM.

232 posted on 10/02/2013 10:04:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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