Falling Stars, Damnable Heresy, and the Spirit of Evolution

Renew America ^ | Sept. 19, 2013 | Linda Kimball

[tacticalogic]

Here your political motivations reveal themselves to be stronger than apparent spiritual motivations.

I come to the News and Activism forum to talk politics, not prosthelytize.

[tacticalogic]

Then your actions would recommend a zot from this forum, troll.

You fancy yourself a moderator?

[boatbums]

Would you characterize such a denial of the deity of Christ to be a heresy?

The word "heresy" means choosing or siding against orthodoxy - which is from the Greek "orthos" meaning "right", "true", "straight". So, I would say YES the denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ, that He is Almighty God incarnate, is heresy.

Can a person become a Christian not fully knowing or understanding this very basic tenet? Perhaps, but can he vehemently deny and reject it as the truth after it has been shown to be a Biblical and truthful doctrine and still claim to be a Christian? I find it impossible to believe a Holy Spirit indwelt believer could do so. In fact, it is the Holy Spirit that illuminates this truth to our hearts so that we accept it by faith even when we cannot FULLY comprehend how it all works with our mortal and finite brains.

[hosepipe]

“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (1 John 2:22).

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But what if Jesus is not a human but a spiritual entity extra human..
You know that existed before being human and after being human..
As all humans may be... as well...

He can still be Messiah and Son of God.. but not in a carnal way..
As all humans are.. i.e. sons and daughters of God.. and angels too..

God having sex appears to be a lame concept..
Gender is such a carnal concept..

But quiet normal to those in a carnal state..
Even to ideological Judeo-Christians..

[Kevmo]

I come to the News and Activism forum to talk politics, not prosthelytize.
***Fascinating. Hogwash Dupe also said a similar thing a few months ago, and proceeded to attempt to get an entire Romney thread shut down simply because she was prosthelitized to.

It would appear that this unholy alliance includes a nonchristian/atheist/scientismist (whatever it is that you call yourself — and we know that you do not admit to following scientism), a jew, and a Freemason dude who seems to prefer the Unitarian label.

So what do Unitarians, atheist/scientismitists, and jews all share in their idealogy? The denial that Jesus is God. It includes the historically revisionist denial of the FACT that Jesus claimed to be equal with God, even though as a rare fact in history, this thing is admitted by the ENEMIEs at the time.

Jesus pours out condemnation on false teachers. That would be the ones who call themselves followers of Jesus but deny His Deity. I doubt He would expect Jews and atheists (or moslems, Buddhists, etc) to act in any way towards this creed other than what their own creed says, setting up a marketplace of ideas. Jesus only condemns those who sidle up to christians, lay down a pretense of belief, and then start to proceed directly against that belief. They are properly condemned as ‘vipers’, ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’, and ‘sons of the devil’.

[Kevmo]

You fancy yourself a moderator?
***No, only that your actions deserve a moderator’s lightning bolt.

[Kevmo]

So, I would say YES the denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ, that He is Almighty God incarnate, is heresy.
***Then it is proper to condemn such ‘christians’ as wolves in sheep’s clothing & pour harsh words on them just as Jesus did. They are false teachers, and spiritually dangerous ones at that.

[Kevmo]

Can a person become a Christian not fully knowing or understanding this very basic tenet? Perhaps, but can he vehemently deny and reject it as the truth after it has been shown to be a Biblical and truthful doctrine and still claim to be a Christian? I find it impossible to believe a Holy Spirit indwelt believer could do so. In fact, it is the Holy Spirit that illuminates this truth to our hearts so that we accept it by faith even when we cannot FULLY comprehend how it all works with our mortal and finite brains.
***At this point it makes sense to start sending truthful christians who want to know the historical evidence over to various sources.

For instance, I like the book “Jesus, God Ghost or Guru”
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Ghost-Christian-university-curriculum/dp/0310357616/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388205819&sr=8-1&keywords=jesus+god+ghost+or+guru

And there’s the more recent book by Lee Stroebel “The Case for Christ”.

And, here on Free Republic, an entire book transcribed:

THE NEW TESTAMENT DOCUMENTS Are they Reliable? (Preface, Chapt. 1)
Sat 16 Feb 2008 02:24:23 PM PST · by blue-duncan · 7 replies · 103+ views
http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/ffbruce/ntdocrli/ntdocont.htm ^ | 1959 | F. F. Bruce

Various articles on historicity of Christ
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/historicity/index?tab=articles

and so on... the apologetics section of the christian bookstores is another good place to start.

[Kevmo]

But what if Jesus is not a human
***The first challenge to christianity was Gnosticism, which denied the Humanity of Christ. It is evidence that the claim to Jesus being Divine was so strong that the only way to take issue with it was to deny his humanity. It’s a heretical belief that holds no water.

[Kevmo]

Then talk politics, troll... on other threads where your trolling does not form an unholy alliance with heretics.

[tacticalogic]

It would appear that this unholy alliance includes a nonchristian/atheist/scientismist (whatever it is that you call yourself — and we know that you do not admit to following scientism), a jew, and a Freemason dude who seems to prefer the Unitarian label.

It would given highly questionable vision.

[tacticalogic]

No, only that your actions deserve a moderator’s lightning bolt.

That's your opinion. That it hasn't happened is a clue.

[Kevmo]

And yet, all 3 of you deny that Jesus is God.

[boatbums]

You can take all your “what ifs” and put them up against all the “what ares” God already revealed to humans. There are myriad religions out there in our world where people did exactly that - played the “what if?” game. Yet, the Creator and sustainer of the entire universe deigned to step into our space and time in the form of a carnal, flesh and blood human, born from a human mother in all the pain and blood and ickiness that entails. He went through childhood and adulthood waiting thirty-three years before entering the world stage as the God-man savior and completing his earthly ministry. He suffered, bled and died - feeling every bit the same kind of pain, humiliation and agony any human would in his same situation. He endured all that - even though he could have called ten thousand angels to rescue him - because he was doing it all for OUR benefit. He rose from the dead - after three days JUST as he said he would - walked around and spoke to people for forty days before he ascended into heaven and to this day he sits at the right hand of God the Father making intercession for us. The way I/we know all this is because GOD told us through His word. People didn't just make it up playing that "what if" game, God said it and it is why we CAN believe it and build our faith upon it.

[Kevmo]

Well, sure it is a clue. I’ve found you to be the most careful troll on the Evo threads and elsewhere. You might just be the most accomplished troll on FR, take that as a compliment. When JimRob handed all those evolutionists their hats and they went off to form Darwin Central, you were quiet. You know exactly how far you can push conservatives and get away with it.

In retrospect, it means you are a highly disciplined troll. But a troll nonetheless.

If you weren’t, you’d have zero problems with my voluntary idealogy matrix... from my homepage:

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I would like to see a VOLUNTARY idealogy litmus matrix here on Free Republic, but when I proposed it to Jimrob, he called me a newbie.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145065/posts?page=130#130
To: babygene I don’t think he’s all that interested.
To: MHGinTN It doesn’t matter what a FReeper thinks. It’s just a list that they tell us what they think. That way we can tell who we’re dealing with.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145065/posts?page=130#130
To: Jim Robinson Hah hah, that’s great. I signed up 2 months after you and I’m a newbie. Back then no one even said, “Welcome to FR”. But yeah, I do think that there are tons of RINOs. To be more accurate, the term would be CINOs.
I’ve been pushing for an idealogical litmus matrix here on FR, not to get rid of RINOs but to expose them.
THE GOP DOESN’T WANT US- SO WHAT’S NEXT?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965735/posts?page=762#762
***It simply takes too long. Look at this thread alone. I see evidence of RINOism in some of the FReepers on this thread. It takes 700 posts to drill down. We need the matrix posted and available so that we don’t have to drill down on every FReeping thread. They’re wasting our time. Deliberately.

Agreed to a large degree. Perhaps a way to rate members by other members???
762 posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:43:23 PM by roamer_1
130 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 2:39:20 PM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
49 posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 7:29:27 PM by Kevmo ( It’s all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies] 48 posted on Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:25:08 PM by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)

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[tacticalogic]

And yet, all 3 of you deny that Jesus is God.

Didn't happen.

[Kevmo]

Didn’t happen.
***Feel free to distance yourself from the heretic and declare that Jesus is God Himself.

What is that I hear... crickets?

[tacticalogic]

Feel free to distance yourself from the heretic and declare that Jesus is God Himself.

I need your permission for that?

[boatbums]

Then it is proper to condemn such ‘christians’ as wolves in sheep’s clothing & pour harsh words on them just as Jesus did. They are false teachers, and spiritually dangerous ones at that.

That depends. If we are talking about unbelievers, we are to speak the truth in love. If baby Christians, we are to gently reproved, rebuke and correct in meekness and respect. If they are ravenous wolves bent on scattering the flock, masquerading as apostles of Christ, deceitful workers attempting to pervert the gospel, then we MUST do all we can to cut the ground from under them (II Cor. 11:12) and expose their lies with the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

[Kevmo]

Of COURSE you would obfuscate here. Rather than address the simple thing put before you. That is your habit, troll.

You’ll never address it. Because you’re a troll. When did anyone ever say you needed permission? Never. But you will focus on that and a ton of other inane details rather than get real and specific. That is because you’re here to troll.

Your purpose here on Free Republic, let alone just this thread, is to troll. You’re perhaps the most accomplished troll on this website. I suppose congratulations are in order, but it won’t help to get you to honestly address the issue put before you. No way. That’ll never happen.