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To: HiTech RedNeck
No, Doughty. You are dumbing the battle down to mere men’s politics. I want to elevate it to God’s wisdom.  HiTech RedNeck, I like you so this isn't intended to be a dig at you.  I'm simply responding to the points you made, and trying to explain that while I think they are well intend thoughts, I still wind up thinking they are somewhat misguided.  I'm certainly no paragon of virtue, so I'm not saying I have to be right here.  I'm simply saying how I see it.

I do not see the choice to be one of Sarah Palin or evil.  I do not see this as support for God or support for Satan.  There are other Christians out there.  I would prefer another.


IF it is truly God who is saying “YES, let those immigrants in” then God can be trusted to be wise.  Don't you think it's just a tad presumptious to think that because Sarah Palin suggested it, it has to be God's will?  And yet this is the level of thinking that has swarmed in behind Sarah.  It's is alarming.  It exemplifies a belief that Palin is now God's arbiter of what is right or wrong today.  I don't even think Sarah believes that to be true.  I certainly don't.  I would certainly hope she doesn't.

Now one Christian tenet is that wisdom is found in a multitude of wise counselors. Sarah wouldn’t buck a consensus that no this is a bad idea, if it truly existed. She is not bull headed like so many of our conventional politicians.  True leaders do buck conventional wisdom, so I am not trying to trash Palin for her views based on popularity or lack there-of.  IMO< she should be standing up and explaining why it is wrong to accept tens of millions of people who came here against the laws of our nation.  It is wrong for them to be able to stay here and benefit from the desprespect and usery that their actions exemplied.  I simply assess her views on illegal immigrants and the fix to be a fatal blow to our nation.  God cannot help us if we refuse to help ourselves.  If she does legalize 20 to 35 million illegal immigrants, they get citizenship and the normal chain immigration follows, we're talking about between 100 and 150 million new foreign national citizens in under 20 years.  I don't think that is God's will at all.

It would be perfectly plausible to me if God did call for this, because God would have other pieces to move into the picture. God could turn Hispanics from enemies to friends in virtually nothing flat.  All this is predicated on Sarah Palin having announced her plan, and if she said it, it has to be God's will.  I don't know where to begin to refute that, it evidences such flawed logic in my opinion.  Please explain to me how you know it is God's will to legalize between 20 and 35 million illegal immigrants who are here.  Is it your thought he thinks our immigration laws are evil?  Really?

Don’t get all potpourri-picky on me here. Let’s have the faith to put God first, and Sarah would be only one piece in the puzzle but an important piece.
Sadly, God is not first in your thoughts here.  And sadly, you can't see it.  You have intimated that if Sarah said it, it has to be God's will.  I can't buy off on that.


42 posted on 09/01/2013 11:21:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: DoughtyOne

I am suggesting it COULD be.

That’s where the multitude of counselors comes in to clarify such difficult, nonintuitive matters. Sarah has worked always by getting consensus, far as I have been aware.

I CAN tell you that the “well, I will NEVER vote for such and such because they are calling for something that isn’t in the Worldly Conservative Plan” mantra is what threw a half a dozen flawed but still worthier men to the wayside last year for Mitt Romney. I suggest God wants folks like you to take a lesson from this.


45 posted on 09/01/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: DoughtyOne
IMO she should be standing up and explaining why it is wrong to accept tens of millions of people who came here against the laws of our nation.

This is a perfectly reasonable question to ask, but do not be surprised if the answer is squarely within a Christian framework. If God can forgive you, and God can forgive me, then God can forgive them. The key question is what their future will be. I would not be surprised to see a "nuanced" solution that would, wisely and deftly, shunt the bums back to Mexico, while keeping the industrious folks.

47 posted on 09/01/2013 11:44:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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