I just want the opportunity to at least try it. If I fail I fail. But to be denied the opportunity is what is aggravating just because I’m female. There’s lots of other org’s like the forest service that has some kinds of physical standards but it’s nothing like the military. Just saying.
Again read what I wrote, your attempt will cause a snowball roll to lower standards and get good people killed. The powers that be will not sit by and watch all women fail and then not do something to “FIX” it.
You say you have brothers in the military. This effort could get them killed by having to rely on “less than Qualified” people working with them.
Seriously, look at the politics of it. Once they let them in, then some MUST PASS! And they will make it happen with lower standards. This isn’t idle speculation. It is the same way they did it with naval fliers and every other branch of the service.
Again read what I wrote, your attempt will cause a snowball roll to lower standards and get good people killed. The powers that be will not sit by and watch all women fail and then not do something to “FIX” it.
You say you have brothers in the military. This effort could get them killed by having to rely on “less than Qualified” people working with them.
Seriously, look at the politics of it. Once they let them in, then some MUST PASS! And they will make it happen with lower standards. This isn’t idle speculation. It is the same way they did it with naval fliers and every other branch of the service.
After reading the thread and paying attention to your posts, I offer the following to you, SkyDancer.
“I waxed his butt so many times when we flew air combat sim’s in real planes it wasn’t funny. We’re pulling almost 9g’s and he couldn’t take it.”
Just a reminder, there are many current and former REAL fighter pilots here on FR, and statements like the above are viewed with amusement—at best.
“Sim’s.” Really? 9G’s? Big whoop. Upper body strength is key to the ability to maneuver your torso to look around while under G. To many women, you included I’ll wager, couldn’t move hardly an inch while at 9G’s.
Regarding your BF, sorry he was such a wimp he couldn’t hack the G’s.
I was a UPT instructor/evaluator pilot for the USAF and every class had a few women in it. The “strongest” woman student pilot was identified and it was agreed by the flight commanders up to the wing commander that if all others washed out, and she (the strongest) could not hack it, she WOULD graduate. Too much politics to deal with if women don’t graduate so efforts were made to pass the “best” if it came down to it.
I was an instructor/evaluator pilot in two fighters (A-10/F-15E), and yes, the same political pressure was on to ensure we had a share of females flying fighters.
We were TOLD just before a female flying fighters arrived she was to be qualified MR ON TIME and upgraded to 2-ship and 4-ship flight lead ON-TIME, as well as become an instructor ON-TIME. So much for merit and skill, let alone standards.
(By the way. . .this much admired first female flying fighters would cry in de-briefs. Debriefs are the real school of hard knocks, no quarter given and you are crushed for every little thing. You better have a strong will and heart and be able to take the pressure. Apparently she could not but by the time she was enroute to the school, it was too late and standards had to be lowered for HER. If any male cried during de-brief during a training mission, he would be ejected from the program. But not her. It is all about lowering standards as many point out. Lowering standards is bad enough, but lowering standards for a select few—women—is worse.)
As other posters stated, this is real-life, fighting to the death we are talking about.
Aggression is not cruelty. Aggression is not meanness. Aggression is innate and part of a fighters (warriors) very being and women, because they do not have the oft-mocked testosterone in their system, they simply don’t have natural aggression. They act, they behave like they think they should act. . .down to the swagger and arrogance that is ever so popular in media.
Thing is, that arrogance and swagger is contained in a fighter squadron because, really, who are you going to impress. . .we ALL are fighter pilots. Banter is rife and ego’s abound for sure, be we have nothing to prove to anybody—we know who we are and what we can do, and unbridled arrogance gets people killed. Confidence keeps them alive.
As I’ve posted before: “Men and women are not the same; they don’t think, act or emote the same. All this nonsense about “same” physical standards is nonsense. What matters is the innate aggression that resides in males (testosterone). Media and other “equal rights” advocates mock it as chest-thumping behavior and they don’t recognize it as warrior behavior. Women can be mean but true aggression is lacking, and after a career in the military I am tired of the empty argument that say, “well, if they can meet the same physical standards. . .”. That is NOT the most important aspect. Natural aggression is. Women in the military ACT like they are all hoorah and aggressive but acting is not being. It is an act. The feminine side is always repressed and hidden in warrior environments, therefore females deny their own femininity when they enter the warrior world. That is not natural.”
I found concerning your Post 96, (flying into a thunderstorm). Your derisive statement about the other pilot being scared when you were at the controls is telling.
First, if he were indeed “scared” then he had a reason beyond the fact you were flying into T-storms—the fact you did not respect the situation made him scared. You see, YOU scared him, not the situation. He was concerned because he respected the situation and you apparently did not.
He had solid airsense and judgment and here you were, appearing unconcerned, not fully appreciating the danger and risks. Yes, he was scared. . .not because of the T-storm but because of YOU.
Second, and this applies to that situation and probably others where you arrogantly feel other pilots were weak or meek, it is clear from your postings you carry a bit of “I’ll-show’em-I’m-just-as-good-as-they-are-maybe-better” attitude. That attitude pushes aside sound judgment and gets people killed.
Real pilots know risks and they know their skills and know when to be concerned. You apparently do not.
So, your bravado statements about waxing someone in simulated BFM/ACM, or your comments about being a steely-eyed cool-under-pressure pilot, and “FAA certified” no less, mean nothing to men who know what flying is all about.
Enjoy your time, be safe and remember the old adage: “There are old pilots and bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots.”