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1 posted on 06/09/2012 4:51:56 AM PDT by tobyhill
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that suggested the country doesn’t need more firefighters, police or teachers.

.....damn right we don't need any of the above if we can't pay for them and that does not mean the Feds should pay for them with borrowed money.
That's the liberal problem, they are devoid of a commonsense gene.

2 posted on 06/09/2012 4:59:57 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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Typical Donks. They only know how to create public jobs and more debt.


3 posted on 06/09/2012 5:03:17 AM PDT by BradtotheBone (Moderate Democrat - A politician whose voting record leans left and whose vote can be bought.)
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Clumsy on Myth’s part. Democrats always want to define government employees as ‘teachers, firefighters and police officers”, and they always threaten to cut those first when budgets are threatened. He shouldn’t play into that game. He should have pointed out that those are only a small portion of government employees, and pointed out some of the absurdly high paid jobs that nobody would miss.


4 posted on 06/09/2012 5:03:22 AM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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Outside of urban Dem strongholds, aren’t the vast majority of fire companies staffed by volunteers?


6 posted on 06/09/2012 5:08:46 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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Teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc., these are the responsibilities of the several states, NOT of the federal government -- and NO the federal government should NOT be helping the states with money to fill these jobs, because the money should not be in the federal coffers to begin with, but in the state coffers. That money should never have gone, to begin with, nor should it ever go the the federal treasury.

LEAVE THE MONEY IN THE STATES to begin with, and don't allow it to be wasted in the federal bureaucracies before it gets sent back to the states.

A few years ago, I saw a study on how much of each dollar is spent on nothing but bureaucracy (administration) in the federal government before it is spent in the thing for which it was designated. A comparative analysis was done with the state governments, which, of course, waste much, much less of each dollar.

Perhaps one of the economist types on FR has such a study to post. I'd like to see it again.

But the point is : Don't remove the money from the states to begin with! For teachers, policemen, firefighters, etc., why does the federal government even have any money with which to "help" the states ???? Why was the money removed from the states and sent through the wider, wasteful circle of the federal bureaucracy ????

We have got to end this illusion that the federal government is some how smarter and wiser than our state legislatures in fiscal matters. This federal elitism has become criminal.

8 posted on 06/09/2012 5:22:00 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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suggested the country doesn’t need more firefighters, police or teachers.

Democrats and the media always throw teachers in with "firefighters and police" because they know the public is more sympathetic and appreciative (as a whole) to our first responders than teachers - and the main reason is that teachers don't have the same dangerous jobs but in most states they are paid better, have better health care packages, and have better pensions.

Moreover, there are A LOT more teachers and administrators in America's localities than there are first responders, who actually do risk life and limb in their chosen professions.

On top of all of this, in most states, the teachers have better contracts than the first responders because of the education union thug mafia.

Let me give you some numbers:

Here in New Jersey, we have the highest property taxes in the nation.

I myself pay in the 5 figures for property taxes, and my home is not a mansion. My neighbors all pay the same outrageous bill.

Where does all that money go?

67% of our town's property taxes go to the schools.

Of that 67%, 38% is ripped off by the "Abbott Districts" here in NJ. Read up on these. The NJSC ruled it was "unconstitutional" that they didn't have enough of "whitey's money" - basically. They are a bunch of urban, overwhelmingly minority districts where their own citizens don't pay taxes, or they don't pay enough taxes in the state's mind - so they bill all the rest of us and take our property tax payments.

So, with that 38% of the 67% in Democrat, minority, court ruled theft - these districts have over $14,000 per student funding. Their teachers are very well paid, many schools have AstroTurf fields with NFL stadium lights. They also still have the worst test scores, the worst discipline record, the worst graduation rates, the lowest reading rates, and the highest student-on-student crime statistics in the state.

Of that 29% property tax money leftover that does go to our own schools, a whopping 95% is doled out in salaries and benefits to teachers, principles, and administrators.

95%.

The pittance that is left over goes to "whitey's kids."

So, you pay 5 figures in property taxes, and they won't even pick up the trash around here anymore - there is "no money." And who did they lay off around here? Cops. Firefighters.

So all the teachers out there can cry me a river.

I know there are teachers who do great work, and there are some I am very proud of. But your leadership stinks, the majority of teachers have become self serving, pension spiking takers who have sold out their values and morals to the Democrat Satan.

I have no sympathy for them.

9 posted on 06/09/2012 5:27:12 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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Obama believes that a country is more prosperous when the number of government employees is increasing.

A friend in Madison WI told me this: “I like to pay more taxes on my house, because it makes my house more valuable.”


23 posted on 06/09/2012 6:02:43 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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So when do we have enough police, firefighters and teachers?


28 posted on 06/09/2012 7:17:54 AM PDT by Fido969
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Only in the self deluded liberal mind does this matter of even make sense.


33 posted on 06/09/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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