NEWT: Does Faith Matter? Absolutely.

www.youtube.com ^ | 10/18/2011 | Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich

[Yosemitest]

At 12 minutes 30 seconds into this video at the Western GOP Debate, Las Vegas, NV, started a question
that Newt Gingrich gave the most important and best answer in the whole debate.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR AND DEBATE MODERATOR: And welcome back to the CNN GOP debate live from the Venetian in Las Vegas.
Let's continue. We've got an e-mail question that was left at cnnpolitics.com.
This is from a Mike Richards who says:
"With the controversy surrounding Robert Jeffress, is it acceptable to let the issue of a candidate's faith shape the debate?"



Senator Santorum, this is in reference to a Baptist pastor who, at the Values Voter Summit, after introducing Governor Rick Perry, said of --
said that "Mitt Romney is not a Christian," and that "Mormonism is a cult."
Those were his words.

Should...

(BOOING)

COOPER: Should voters pay attention to a candidate's religion?

SANTORUM: I think they should pay attention to the candidate's values, what the candidate stands for.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

SANTORUM: That's what is at play. And the person's faith --

and you look at that faith and what the faith teaches with respect to morals and values that are reflected in that person's belief structure.
So that's -- those are important things.

I -- I'm a Catholic. Catholic has social teachings.
Catholic has teachings as to what's right and what's wrong.
And those are legitimate things for voters to look at,
to say if you're a faithful Catholic, which I try to be --
fall short all the time, but I try to be
-- and -- and it's a legitimate thing to look at as to what the tenets and teachings of that faith are
with respect to how you live your life and -- and how you would govern this country.

With respect to what is the road to salvation, that's a whole different story.
That's not applicable to what -- what the role is of being the president or a senator or any other job.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Speaker Gingrich, you agree with that?

GINGRICH: Well, I think if the question is,

does faith matter? Absolutely.
How can you have a country which is founded on truths which begins
we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights?
How can you have the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 which says
religion, morality and knowledge being important, education matters.
That's the order: religion, morality and knowledge.

Now, I happen to think that none of us should rush in judgment of others in the way in which they approach God.
And I think that all of us up here I believe would agree.

(APPLAUSE)

But I think all of us would also agree that
there's a very central part of your faith in how you approach public life.
And I, frankly, would be really worried if somebody assured me
that nothing in their faith would affect their judgments,
because then I'd wonder, where's your judgment --
how can you have judgment if you have no faith?
And how can I trust you with power if you don't pray?

(APPLAUSE)

Who you pray to, how you pray, how you come close to God is between you and God.
But the notion that you're endowed by your creator sets a certain boundary on what we mean by America.





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[Yosemitest]

"Our government is SECULAR."

You need to get an education.

I recommend more study.

(excerpt)

1. Patent Untruths
Numerous history texts make claims such as:
our “national government was secular from top to bottom,”
or that the Founders “reared a national government on a secular basis.”
Those who have studied the American Founding know that this is a patent untruth —
proved by numbers of Founders, including John Adams, who declared:
“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity.”
(Even the text of the Declaration of Independence refutes any charges of government secularism.)
This approach usually relies on a general lack of public knowledge about that untruth;
consequently, such untruthful claims are rarely made in areas where citizens have broad general knowledge
(such as claiming that James Madison used an atomic bomb to end the Civil War,
or that the first sub-machine gun was developed in 1536 in Nevada by the Quakers).
Revisionism relies on a lack of citizen knowledge in specific areas.

[Yosemitest]

This country is in the HELL that it deserves BECAUSE its people have bought into the LIE of "Separation of Church and State".

[petitfour]

Unalienable. Not inalienable.

[itsahoot]

if he cannot honor a vow he made to his wife in front of God

There are civil laws in this country that regulate marriage, whether we like it or not people can and do get divorced. My first wife divorced me, thank God for I have now been with my saving grace for 38 years. It jus might be because I sought the woman I needed through prayer. Just saying.

[itsahoot]

As an unmarried young Catholic

Maybe you can get the same get out of jail cards that the Pope gave the Kennedy's?

Money doesn’t matter to God, but it certainly matters to mortals.

[La Enchiladita]

You honestly do not make sense.
You are free to be intolerant but your intolerance is not sanctioned by the founding principles of this nation, as you claim.
YOU are the one who needs a history lesson.

[BenKenobi]

And that’s why I’m not giving Gingrich a pass, sorry.

[Yosemitest]

More study links:

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"Has it [government] any solid foundation? any chief cornerstone ... ?
I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of God, the Author of Nature whose laws never vary.
... Government ... is by no means an arbitrary thing depending merely on compact or human will for its existence.
... The power of God Almighty is the only power that can properly and strictly be called supreme and absolute.
In the order of nature immediately under Him comes the power of a simple democracy, or the power of the whole over the whole.
... [God is] the only monarch in the universe who has a clear and indisputable right to absolute power because He is the only one who is omniscient as well as omnipotent.
... The sum of my argument is that civil government is of God, that the administrators of it were originally the whole people."
- United States Founding Father, A leader of the Sons of Liberty, Mentor of Samuel Adams, James Otis, "The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved", (Boston and London: J.Williams and J. Almon, 1766), pp. 11-13, 98



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"The only true basis of all government is the laws of God and nature.
For government is an ordinance of Heaven, designed by the all benevolent Creator".
~Samuel Adams, Signer of the Declaration of Independence ~



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... we will look, for the permanency and stability of our new government, to him who bringeth Princes to nothing, and teacheth Senators wisdom.
By order of the House
House of Assembly,
JOHN HART, Speaker.
Sept. 24, 1776.



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"Kings or parliaments could not give the rights essential to happiness.
... We claim them from a higher source--from the King of kings, and Lord of all the earth.
John Dickinson, Signer of the Constitution; Governor of Pennsylvania



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[W]hatsoever State among us shall continue to make piety [respect for God] and virtue the standard of public honor will enjoy the greatest inward peace, the greatest national happiness, and in every outward conflict will discover the greatest constitutional strength. --
The Works of John Witherspoon (Edinburgh: J. Ogle, 1815), Vol. IV, p. 270, from his “Sermon Delivered at Public Thanksgiving After Peace.” (emphasis added)
John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration of Independence:



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[Yosemitest]

I’m sure either “http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/18/se.05.html"; (probably automated transcript) or Newt Gingrich will appreciate that correction.

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[Yosemitest]

Prove your point with links.
Show me "Separation of Church and State" in the US Constitution.
It's not there.

[SoldierDad]

Thank you for the kind words. I am imperfect. I try to be a good son, and a good dad to my children and granchildren. My wife and I are taking care of my elderly and disabled mother, while raising our oldest grandchild and housing my eldest daughter and her family. Times are tough, and family need to pull together.

[newzjunkey]

It's offensive because it's true. Let it go.

Described as a "nominal Southern Baptist" when philanderer, Newt's been attending Catholic mass with wife Callista for a decade and became a formal convert to Catholicism a few years ago.

[RobbyS]

Holmes only reflected the opinion of the time, the naturalism that became dominant during the last forty years of the century. That said, Holmes was deeply scared by the war. I am not sure that he believed in anything after the idealism he brought from his father’s house proved an illusion. Reconstruction was largely fruitless, and it tarnished the great result of the war, the end of slavery. In a sense, Holmes became a dead man walking.

[BenKenobi]

Just like we forgive Kennedy for Chappaquiddick?

Cheating on your wife is NOT ok. I don’t care who you are.

Cheating on your sick and dying wife, is NOT ok.

I’m not going to give him a pass on his ‘indescretions’, because they demonstrate a serious failing of Newt’s character.

You want to vote for Newt, fine. But I’m going to stick with Cain who’s can at least keep it in his pants.

[BenKenobi]

I’m not quite sure how my handle is at all unusual...

[Bigg Red]

Newt always has the best answers, and this was one of them. Too bad he’s a weasel, but I do appreciate his intellect.

[Bigg Red]

Well said. And that is what the progressives are hoping to change. And, unfortunately, they have succeeded in many areas.

[Dominick]

Described as a "nominal Southern Baptist" when philanderer, Newt's been attending Catholic mass with wife Callista for a decade and became a formal convert to Catholicism a few years ago.

I can't give someone like Lohan a pass for past indiscretions. I can't give her a pass because she demonstrates that she is not going to change, and will continue to walk the road to ruin.

Newt before his conversion walked that same road, and has demonstrated a willingness to change. I have to take that at face value and hearing his political thought I like that I see. I often pray for mercy, but God teaches us mercy is ours only if we show mercy to others.

If Cain was not in the race I would back Newt.

[savagesusie]

True—but only the elite at that time adopted the German Postmodern Philosophy and stuck it in all our Universities and started (with Dewey) to trickle it into curricula in the elementary schools. All publishers started to promote their concepts of law, culture, et al. to destroy Christianity. and create a collective society.

The utilitarianism of Jeremy Bentham and John Austin’s politics are not compatible with our Constitution but they sneaked in that philosophy to obliterate Natural Law Theory and the idea of God—Supra Positive Law and the laws of nature. Now we have arbitrary made up “laws” such as two men are designed to be married too”. It is all irrational now. (Insane, really).

Worldview matters—those who think you can teach atheism to young children and they will have the ability to believe in God are not being realistic.....all education has a bias....some biases—that of Christianity—are superior to the Postmodernism/atheism of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pot and no moral absolutes. God==particularly the rational religion of Christianity—makes for superior cultures where all people have the possibility of dignity and worth and have Free Will.