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The U.S. Is Not Drowning In Debt
Time Moneyland ^ | July 15, 2011 | Zachary Karabell

Posted on 07/30/2011 12:15:23 PM PDT by lbryce

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— is that what matters about the debt isn’t the dollar amount per se, but how much it costs us to service it. And by that measure, the debt isn’t nearly as big a problem as it’s being made out to be.

Yes, that is the mistake that many a spendaholic makes with their credit cards. Credit cards and loans with teaser rates will eventually go up and strangle the financial illiterates.

That is what is going to happen to us with the national debt.

21 posted on 07/30/2011 12:31:19 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: lbryce
The U.S. Is Not Drowning In Debt

No, but we are drowning in government, which is much more difficult to pay off. History has shown it is possible to make the debt smaller. We've yet to see the government shrink, at least in the last 80 years.

22 posted on 07/30/2011 12:34:02 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: lbryce

Thanks for posting.

What a ding-a-ling. Interest rates are historically very low right now and only because the Fed is buying our debt. Once that stops, interest rates will go up.

Let’s assume that the establishment Republicans win and privately held debt goes up to 100% of GDP. Let’s also assume that we decide not to inflate our way out of it (not a big assumption because much of our debt is short term, must be rolled over and can’t be inflated away). In constant dollars....

At 2.5%, interest payments are $357Billion every year.

At 5.0%, interest payments are $715Billion every year.

At 10%, interest payments are $1,430Billion every year.

As the debt grows and interest rates climb, the cost of just paying the interest becomes so high that all growth ends as taxes to pay just for the debt can climb higher than $715B and near and may pass $1,430B per year.

When interest payments don’t compete for investor dollars the cost of unpaid debt increases geometrically. When interest payments DO compete for investor dollars the cost of unpaid debt becomes infinite (the limit as available dollars goes to zero). That is why countries MUST fail when the Debt to GDP ratio becomes greater than 120%.

A 124 page paper available for download, This Time is Different: http://www.nber.org/~wbuiter/cr1.pdf


23 posted on 07/30/2011 12:35:45 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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You can’t cure stupid.


24 posted on 07/30/2011 12:37:38 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: lbryce

But what is the problem, even if he where correct, is that we would end up with an untenable debt if there was a catastrophic emergency.


25 posted on 07/30/2011 12:41:10 PM PDT by MCF
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Does anyone get that the Chinese have a lot of 2yr and 5yr T-bills. If all we sold were 30 year's we could live with a low rate. But the rates can move up fast. And frankly, if the Fed did not jump in, as they have, the rates would be higher.

This guy does not know anything about the bond market. And he has not watched Greece. Their rates were lower and as their debt grew the rates moved up. Then the rollover interest started to snowball and here we are. Disaster.

26 posted on 07/30/2011 12:43:30 PM PDT by poinq
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To: andy58-in-nh

“We have hearing aids in order to fix our ears. We have lasik surgery in order to fix our eyes. People ... you can’t fix stupid!”
— Ron White


27 posted on 07/30/2011 12:44:12 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: lbryce
The U.S. Is Not Drowning In Debt

You can't drown if you're already dead.

28 posted on 07/30/2011 12:46:45 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2755900/posts?page=4#4

the author should
compare low flat tax Russian graph,
with the USA once the marxist took power.

charts with 10,000 words...


29 posted on 07/30/2011 12:46:45 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lbryce
It's the Spending, Stupid. - Palin

Debt is a consequence of over spending.


30 posted on 07/30/2011 12:47:11 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Crim

I love Ron White - his humor is based in what used to be known as “common sense” - back before our country was overrun by Harvard assholes and third-rate affirmative action socialists; or, in the case of our current President: both.


31 posted on 07/30/2011 12:53:49 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: lbryce

When the deficit is bigger than the budget will it qualify as drowning then??


32 posted on 07/30/2011 12:59:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: lbryce
It is sickly amusing that the dems thought a half billion dollar deficit in the budget was the end of the world. They howled when it was a Bush in the White House. Now a trillion or two deficit, plus trillions upon tens of trillions of debt are perfectly fine.

I loathe professional politicians.

33 posted on 07/30/2011 1:06:12 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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It tells me that governments should NEVER have “cash in the bank” or debt requiring service.

Government should only have the tax dollars required to fund essential services and no more... also, it should never spend more than it brings in.


34 posted on 07/30/2011 1:06:38 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: lbryce

Another idiot living in la-la land.


35 posted on 07/30/2011 1:08:21 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: lbryce
This whole debate is nonsense. Raising the limit is not the issue at all. Obama will claim victory either way. The real test is whether it will have to be raised again before the election in 2012. If GOP forces another debate in Sept/Oct 2012, they win. If the limit is safe past Nov 2012, the Dems win.

Congress has no intention of ever cutting real spending.

36 posted on 07/30/2011 1:08:38 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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Not drowning in debt.... I bet the Greeks said the same thing and look how well that is during out for them. Soon to be followed by Italy, Spain, Ireland, etc if the EU doesn't bail them out which only means the contagion of debt spreads to every other member if it isn't in the cards already.

And here he is looking at the interest rates which are ultra low do to government and Fed intervention into the market not to mention there are no other markets for others to turn to in the event of a crisis like what we see in the EU. But how long can this last. Out of no where yields could skyrocket and of course add hundreds of billions of dollars in extra interest payments per year just on 2 to 3% point rise. That should be a telling sign of what things will look like. And what would that mean for private sector debt as well? Now if the rates do not rise do to suppression and other market factors, then you can bet that we will see massive inflation of goods especially raw materials and this would most likely be a global event not just here in the US. This guy has his blinders on and refuses to see the next set of possible future events, non of which is any good for anyone.

37 posted on 07/30/2011 1:11:48 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: DarkWaters

during = turning


38 posted on 07/30/2011 1:14:24 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Elendur
the author should compare low flat tax Russian graph, with the USA once the marxist took power.

charts with 10,000 words...
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Wow! Says it better than anything I've seen on the economic armageddon about to engulf us all.
Thanks for posting.



39 posted on 07/30/2011 1:15:28 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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"Does anyone get that the Chinese have a lot of 2yr and 5yr T-bills."

Yes. I think there are a lot of us who get it. That's why there are so many of us who are saying, "Stop It!"

40 posted on 07/30/2011 1:16:07 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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