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Our Lefty Military
The New York Times ^ | Kristof | Nicholas

Posted on 06/16/2011 6:56:24 PM PDT by thesistine

Our Lefty Military By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF Published: June 15, 2011 As we search for paths out of America’s economic crisis, many suggest business as a paradigm for cutting costs. According to my back-of-the-envelope math, top C.E.O.’s earn as much as $1 a second around the clock, partly by cutting medical benefits for employees. So they must be paragons of efficiency, right? Actually, I’m not so sure. The business sector is dazzlingly productive, but it also periodically blows up our financial system. Yet if we seek another model, one that emphasizes universal health care and educational opportunity, one that seeks to curb income inequality, we don’t have to turn to Sweden. Rather, look to the United States military.

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This is my first post here, though I've been reading since the 2008 elections. I came across this article and wanted to hear some opinions about the content.
1 posted on 06/16/2011 6:56:27 PM PDT by thesistine
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To: thesistine; darkwing104; SandRat; Allegra

I don’t think this argument will be very popular here...


2 posted on 06/16/2011 7:04:19 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: thesistine
Welcome to FR
Ya done good for a first post.
I haven't read the whole article.
I'll do that now. It looks like it might be interesting.
3 posted on 06/16/2011 7:05:42 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: thesistine

This appears to be either the article or a similar one to what Mark Levin talked about on his show tonight.


4 posted on 06/16/2011 7:08:44 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: thesistine

Predictably, Kristof doesn’t ask a critical question: would the miltary model work so well if nearly everyone it were a conscript? Also, Kristof also ignores the fact that the military cannot (and is not intended to) support itself financially. We need a vibrant private sector so we can afford an effective military.


5 posted on 06/16/2011 7:08:58 PM PDT by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: thesistine
The military is not analogous to society as a whole.
6 posted on 06/16/2011 7:15:58 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion)
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To: thesistine
The military isn't a social program. What the schmuck doesn't tell you is that you have little choice on where to go. No Labor unions, little choice on medical care. Long Hours fixed pay and a good old boy system second to none. An lower pay than you civilian counterparts. Don't get me started about the VA.

You still have to pay for educational benefits and what little the armed forces chip in is taxed and everything will be controlled by a government official.

A military community without accountability is called a welfare state. An uncontrolled Military system is called a dictatorship...Take your choice schmucky.


7 posted on 06/16/2011 7:17:27 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: thesistine

Here’s the difference.

You EARN those benefits, they aren’t just given to you!


8 posted on 06/16/2011 7:19:26 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: thesistine
Sorry, but there is a lot of wasteful spending in the military. Private businesses would go bankrupt from similar waste. I'm obviously not suggesting privatization of our military, but it might work with other agencies.
9 posted on 06/16/2011 7:19:48 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: darkwing104

B U M P for intelligence


10 posted on 06/16/2011 7:21:15 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: thesistine

Odd way to start, posting a thread.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 7:25:44 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: thesistine

Yep, the military is truly socialist. I remember Wes Clark taking out his wallet every payday and giving his money to the Enlisted Soldiers just to make things fair.


12 posted on 06/16/2011 7:28:05 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: thesistine

He mentions the transition to VA care. He needs to do a quick google search on issues with the VA. Hell, even the VA is more concerned with pc:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110610/ap_on_he_me/us_transgender_veterans_3


13 posted on 06/16/2011 7:32:22 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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I always find that people that think the VA is so wonderful do not nor would not use the VA.

I experienced the VA with a wounded warrior about 2 yrs. ago. I wanted to cry when I left it was horrible!


14 posted on 06/16/2011 7:40:49 PM PDT by panthermom (Pray for my son in Aghanistan and all the troops!)
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Hell, I never saw Wes Clark with mud on his boots when he was 1CD commander. But I saw his predecessor, MG John Tilelli, in the field often, especially for gunnery. I don't think I ever saw him without an LBE and K-pot.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

15 posted on 06/16/2011 7:43:09 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: thesistine

Yeah, and the military will be happy to enlist everyone from the dregs of society, ‘cause all they want is a few meals a day.

The military works because its ranks include those who are willing to fight and die for their country, or those who are willing to support that effort.

You just can’t take that model of training the willing, to recruiting the unwilling to try to fend for themselves.

I’m glad that this asshat realizes that our military is exlemplary, but certainly not for the reasons that he postulates!


16 posted on 06/16/2011 7:43:56 PM PDT by Noob1999
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To: panthermom
For the most part, you're right. I've been in the VA systems in Nashville, Salt Lake, Little Rock and Pinellas County, FL, and they were awful!. But the VA Center here in Boise is definitely a breath of fresh air. The attitude and attentiveness of the staff is a stark contrast to the lackadaisical civil servant mindset I experienced at those other centers.

Kudos to the Boise VA Center.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

17 posted on 06/16/2011 7:47:56 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: darkwing104

He’s ignoring several things: there is structure in the military for a reason which is self-evident and promotions are based on merit...if you’re a dirtbag, you get thrown out or don’t get promoted, etc, so color, race, creed is not the end all be all (isnt that in contrast to what libs think?); and like GatorGirl pointed out, the benefits are earned....while libs think they should just be given because they are a “right”; which brings me to another point, servicemembers give up their civil rights, a fact he also ignores. But he’s probably ok with all giving up rights if it’s for the common good anyway. I swear it’s like arguing with a stop sign when it comes to liberals.


18 posted on 06/16/2011 7:49:44 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: panthermom

The husband doesn’t use VA. He got tired of being treated like he was lying about his head nearly being blown off and lost patience, so he uses tricare. I know there are wounded troops who weren’t medically retired that don’t have a choice though. :( Prayers for your son!!


19 posted on 06/16/2011 7:57:09 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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One significant fact; serving your country is a sacrifice, not a business model. There is honor in protecting this country and projecting the best of America to the world.

Military service doesn't produce anything it's the only branch of government that truly protects the American people. No other office of government can honestly say that. We gave up so much for this wonderful nation and people so that everyone can enjoy freedom.

Remember, the Military defends democracy, it doesn't practice it.

The greatest gift we can give our children is they will never have to be in a position to risk their lives to protect this nation.


20 posted on 06/16/2011 8:05:54 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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