That's factually incorrect, and here's why: We have a signed personal letter from none other than the Director of the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii attesting to the document's authenticity.
You can pretend to yourself that this doesn't matter. But it does. In the minds of about 90% of Americans, that closes the matter. It's only those who really, really WANT to believe Obama was born elsewhere who are now "confident" of that fact.
As for myself, I at this point believe that it's still plausible he was not born in Hawaii. But for that to be true, we would have to have something like a forgery and cover-up both at the State of Hawaii level and in the paperwork of Obama Sr's immigration papers. Else that or a conspiracy early on to get the benefits of citizenship for little Barry.
But as yet, I see no really credible evidence for either. And it's pretty darn hard to get to the bottom of finding out whether there's some real credible evidence to support that when the vast majority of people are investing their efforts into trumpeting "reasons why Obama's birth certificate is a fake" that are known NOT to hold water or be decisive at this point.
I am interested in truth. If the truth is in our favor, it's in our favor. If it isn't, we move on to the truth that is.
It is a disappointment to me that so many on our side seem prepared to cling unendingly to any belief that they like in spite of any and all evidence that it simply isn't true, and that so many others seem incapable of rationally and objectively evaluating and accepting the evidence.
I had somewhat labored under the illusion that this was more a characteristic of the left. We know that Barack Hussein Obama was not 25 years old in 1961!
Okay, let's say we do know such a thing. What does it mean?
It might well mean something significant if Barack Sr had been a/the informant for the birth certificate information. In that case, it might have meant he was lying for some initially unknown reason.
So the logical person at this point asks, was there a reason for Obama Sr. to lie about his age?
Who was the informant? Stanley Ann Dunham.
The person who is determined to cling to his belief at this point says, "See! It's a fraud!"
The person who is interested in truth asks, what's the likely reason here?
And the likely reason(s) is/are immediately evident.
SAD may not really have known how old Obama was. She may well have taken a guess. "Put 25."
Or, more likely, she was LIED to by Barack Sr.
Why would she have been lied to?
Barack Sr, age 27, had just knocked up a 17 or 18 year old girl (I haven't checked SAD's birth date so not sure at this moment which).
And a white girl at that.
He was in enough hot water having just knocked up a very, very young white woman. It is no stretch at all that he might have wanted to, shall we say, put a bit more optimistic face on his own youth.
Honestly, what was (to me, at least) a movement of skeptics seems to be becoming our own community equivalent to the 9/11 "truthers" who insist to this day that Bush was behind 9/11. And if we don't cling to reality, that is how we will always be regarded by the rest of America, even if we do eventually uncover solid evidence that Barack Obama is not eligible to be President.
Or, more likely, we continue to push an issue that the rest of America is dismissing, and they ignore us as well on issues where we MIGHT be able to win - that is, Obama's actual failures of policy.
“In the minds of about 90% of Americans, that closes the matter.”
You could be right. But how can people be fine with this when up until recently you have had the Governor of Hawaii come on record and say the LFBC didn’t exist.
Unless it was created, it just doesn’t appear out of thin air....this will be a problem, along with the INS file of Obama Sr., and the retrial of Rod Blagojevich (Tony Rezko).
You could be right. But if you are, it’s a cryin’ shame and shows us how degraded our society has become with an utter lack of curiosity and even disrespect for the US Constitution.
Jeff: “As for myself, I at this point believe that it’s still plausible he was not born in Hawaii. But for that to be true, we would have to have something like a forgery and cover-up both at the State of Hawaii level and in the paperwork of Obama Sr’s immigration papers. Else that or a conspiracy early on to get the benefits of citizenship for little Barry.”
Bruce: Both of those suggestions are plausible. All it would have taken was one corrupted official with access to birth records in HI, and all of the rest of this follows directly from that. There has been a fair amount of discussion on the WND site about the looseness of standards at the Vital Stats offices in HI.
Jeff: “Or, more likely, we continue to push an issue that the rest of America is dismissing, and they ignore us as well on issues where we MIGHT be able to win - that is, Obama’s actual failures of policy.”
Bruce: Again, this could be a very apt observation of political reality. I will say this - the extreme disregard of the US Constitution by most of America on this issue is downright TROUBLING. What that leads to in my mind is an utter breakdown of the Constitutional rule of law. Why should anyone respect or fear the strictures of that (’living’) document?
This idea that his lack of eligibility and the crimes committed to cover up this fact is a losing issue is proven wrong by what Trump has done and the enthusiasm his attack has generated. It's that simple.