Jared Loughner's statements tied to conspiracy theory

Politico ^ | 01/09/11 | CARRIE BUDOFF BROWN

[Hawk720]

Jared Lee Loughner’s rants about grammar and mind control track closely to the writings of a conspiracy theorist who believes that is how the government controls the populace, one leading group says – and the man tells POLITICO he agrees with some of Loughner’s statements.

The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

“Absolutely I would agree with it,” said Miller, 62, a former tool-and-die maker from Milwaukee who claims 1 billion “students” worldwide.

But he said any suggestion that his writings influenced Loughner to go on a shooting rampage is “ridiculous.”

“I have nothing to do with anything like that,” Miller said, suggesting that Loughner might have been under the influence of government mind control.

[Cicero]

Just what is it that makes this loon a “far right activist,” other than Communist propaganda.

Hitler was a leftist. He and Stalin got on pretty well, and signed the Hitler-Stalin pact. Then they broke up, because both of them wanted the same thing: To rule the world by totalitarian methods. “Nazi” is short for National Socialist Workers’ Party.

Hitler was not a conservative. This loon, whoever he is, is not a conservative—except by arbitrary designation by Communist propagandists.

[Yardstick]

I think the majority of Americans are seeing through this hogwash.

I do too. I think it fizzles.

[RedEyeJack]

This whole article is Politico BS...

“It seems he is getting some of his key ideas from David Wynn Miller,” he said.

This is an unsubstantiated assertion by the author and pure propaganda. No proof, no demonstrated linkage. In fact, there is a denial of any connection by the wing nut used as the foil in the article. This is more Dan Rather journalism. You remember: “Sure, there is no proof but we know that it is true just because we want it to be true.”

Fairy Tales by Democrat media operatives...

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html#ixzz1AZYY44gh

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

I don’t understand how a man who appreciates The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf being anti-government. Both are pro-big government.

As I recall, Marx had a dim view of government. He proposed anarchy. He also opposed property rights. It's not clear in his manifesto to me how he planned to govern a communist state. His communes were to be run by the commune members in some sort of democratic way. Lenin couldn't get Russia working on these policies. Stalin fixed the problem by instituting a select cadre of followers to manage the workers. This brought some success for a short time.

It's my belief that the black market finally brought down the system. No one could ever adequately explain to me how Russians could afford a pair of blue jeans that cost a month's wages (official month rate) often reported in the 1970's unless an underground economy was providing additional income to workers. When the Soviet Union fell, these underground entrepreneurs were ready to set up big businesses in the blink of an eye. The underground economy killed the Soviet Union, not Regan. An underground economy here in America will be the best chance at killing big government. History will repeat.

[Bean Counter]

At some distant place, the Far Right and the Far Left eventually bump into one another in an amazing number of ways...

[ez]

Tracks closely? What does that prove? Nothing...only that they made similar loony statements.

[gitmo]

I don’t understand how a man who appreciates The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf being anti-government.

I'd like someone to explain something to me. When I was a young'un (early 20's) I met the head of the American Nazi Party and had an hour-long discussion with the guy. I was quite ignorant of politics at the time. I remember he considered himself very conservative (I didn't know what that meant at the time) and I mad the mistake of describing him as a communist. He was adamant that communism and fascism are opposites.

P>Now I understand they are both different implementations of socialism. In communism, the government owns industry and "manages" it centrally. If fascism, individuals own industry but the government still "manages" it centrally. (See Barak Obama).

So why do they consider themselves polar opposites?

[WHBates]

The guy sounds crazy. What exactly makes right wing?

[widdle_wabbit]

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2003/spring/full-colon-miller

[Wuli]

So what’s new? Nothing.

Believing in conspiracy theories, and that those they see behind the conspiracies as “in complete control of everything” is a bi-partisan condition on the extremes of both the right and the left.

Its not enough, to the extremists, that some highly intelligent people have stupid ideas, act on them and so do others that have the same stupid ideas.

[sbMKE]

If he’s linked to David Wynn Miller then he’s a right-winger. Way way way out of the mainstream.

These are tinfoil hatted Posse Comitatus types. Wynn Miller sought to overrun the Milwaukee court system with bogus filings about 10 years ago - his group filed liens against public officials, etc. In a lot of ways they are like the Cloward Piven adherents, but completely opposed to government rather than looking for a way to set up a “pure” system.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/744062/posts

[the crow]

well said, milwguy.

I too live in the eeeevil bastion of conservatism, known as MKE. I do have a vague recollection of this guy, but it was from quite some time ago. Ruby Ridge era, perhaps?

I remember thinking the guy was off the wall then , as now.

and as usual you are correct: the admin and the media have lost what little credibility they had left this weekend.