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1 posted on 12/19/2010 12:25:19 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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You do remember what happens when a foot locker is left out at night. Sure you do. After a few trips to the infirmary, they are given a medical discharge. Look for more of that soon.
34 posted on 12/19/2010 12:44:33 PM PST by An Old Man
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brings new meaning to “Be all you can be”


38 posted on 12/19/2010 12:48:19 PM PST by cd jones (Liberals: spreading misery, calling it equality)
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you forgot your sarcasm tag


39 posted on 12/19/2010 12:48:37 PM PST by stylin19a
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anyone can apply for a “job” with the U.S. military, this does not mean they will be “hired”. they must be able to pass certain physical, mental and emotion criteria. if they cannot pass those standards they will be “fired”. i am told that the military does not keep people who are unfit and unqualified and “make a soldier outta the guy” like they used to. people do wash out in basic training and get sent home. this ruling will not change that. they can dictate that the forces do not remove homosexuals from duty due to sexual orientation, but they cannot make the forces keep or “hire” a person who is physically unfit for duty. there’s your loophole. i believe our military will use that to their advantage.


43 posted on 12/19/2010 12:49:41 PM PST by madamemayhem (defeat is not getting knocked down, it is not getting back up.)
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Not only is military service not a right, the military has ALWAYS been able to infringe upon the civil rights of servicemen to the degree that these rights impact their military service.
45 posted on 12/19/2010 12:51:11 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"... Can anyone just march into a recruiting office and demand his constitutionally guaranteed civil RIGHT to serve?"

I don't think so, but if we're talking about the Constitution, I think that the only thing that's even mentioned at all is for Congress to provide for the US Navy.

I don't know if the US Air Force even has a 'right' to exist, and the US Army was just an invention of Alexander Hamilton when President John Adams didn't even like the idea of a permanent standing army.

The Marine Corps pre-dates the United States of America, so Marines get to stay.

46 posted on 12/19/2010 12:52:08 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Is serving in the military a constitutional civil RIGHT?

Are you kidding?!

That is a government paycheck!

As every Liberal knows instinctively it is every AmeriKan’s right to receive a government paycheck from Obama’s stash!

Oh and I almost forgot it is every American’s right to a government paycheck from Obama’s stash whether he/she/it was born here, naturalized or snuck across the border from who knows where!

48 posted on 12/19/2010 12:52:32 PM PST by Pontiac
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Absolutely not. The very idea is ludicrous.


49 posted on 12/19/2010 12:52:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Many have made the argument that “Bearing Arms” was seen as primarily the right to serve in the Militia or in the military. I believe that the Second Amendment includes the right to serve in a military force, as well as the right to bear arms in self defense.

Many State Constitutions also include the right to bear arms in defense of self and the State.

A good case can be made that the Second Amendment includes the right to bear arms in a military force. That may simply be the local militia, it does not have to be an elite force such as the Marines.


52 posted on 12/19/2010 12:53:39 PM PST by marktwain
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Yes, and there are positions reserved for the homosexuals as IED detectors.


54 posted on 12/19/2010 12:55:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Jim,

Service in the military is a privilege, not a right and you must indeed qualify physically, mentally, and otherwise for military service. The military must also have a need for your services. You can be fully qualified and still be told no if your scores are not high enough or you don’t have the right skill set.

That said, the Congress has just removed homosexuality from this list of disqualifiers. A big mistake, IMHO, but I’ve never had large expectations that our politicians would faithfully support our military forces. They have pulled the rug out from under the military more times than I care to remember.

What they have not done (yet), is to change the UCMJ. Sexual behavior can still be punished and homosexuals engaging in their day to day lives within the military will likely run afoul of the military justice system. If they get caught, they should be punished and discharged. That will be the next fight taken up by the homosexual crowd, but its not a fight that need be lost.


55 posted on 12/19/2010 12:56:30 PM PST by centurion316
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I believe it was in 1951 that President Truman appointed a commission to look into the true meaning of the Second Amendment. It concluded, with a straight face, that the true meaning was to guarantee to every American the right to be drafted into the US Armed Forces.

I kid you not.

57 posted on 12/19/2010 12:59:30 PM PST by Publius (No taxation without respiration.)
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Jim, That was about the case when I joined the USN many years ago. Now I just hope that I am in the ground before the USSA DDG(G) 69 GaLeTr gets commissioned. Seems to me that the country I spent a large portion of my life defending is going down the tubes due to gutless self serving politician’s, and hordes of slimy lawyers and lobbyists.


58 posted on 12/19/2010 12:59:56 PM PST by mongo141
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Every time this DADT issue comes up, all I can think of is Klinger on MASH. Is the world turned upside down or what?


65 posted on 12/19/2010 1:04:49 PM PST by FrdmLvr (Death to tyrants)
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How many Gays are in the Military? How many want to join?
How much damage are we doing for the sake of how many?


68 posted on 12/19/2010 1:10:38 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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DADT is a victory for the homo’s but it isn’t going to give them everything they want. We had them in the service when I was in back in the late 60’s. Out of self preservation, they generally kept a low profile.

The military is not going to give them any more rights than they do heterosexuals........ fraternization, co-habitation, etc.

I think they will muck things up, but I also suspect they are in for a rude awakening.


76 posted on 12/19/2010 1:17:37 PM PST by umgud
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Can anyone just march into a recruiting office and demand his constitutionally guaranteed civil RIGHT to serve?

There are 50,000 attorneys out there chomping at the bit to find out.

77 posted on 12/19/2010 1:19:16 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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No, it is not a civil right to serve. It’s an honor, but many people have been refused for all kinds of things. It’s just that the autism lobby and the flat-footed lobby are not as strong or socially cool as the gay lobby.


79 posted on 12/19/2010 1:19:51 PM PST by Yaelle
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No, I don’t believe it is. Like you mentioned, they have to meet the requirements for enlistment.

Sadly the Marxists trying to destroy the finest military in the world are succeeding in lowering those requirements.


91 posted on 12/19/2010 1:28:29 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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No, as a matter of fact, it isn’t. If it were, it would be outlined in the Constitution specifically.


92 posted on 12/19/2010 1:28:46 PM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.)
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