Vital records authorized under chapter 338 Hawaiian Revised Statutes are not available for or open to public inspection. Access to the records, including copies or information from them is not permitted except as provided by law or regulations the Department of Health may promulgate.Section 2.3 says:
The applications must contain... [name, address, etc.] and must establish their right as provided herein to the information shown on the certificate.
You state they don't release verifications for anyone because "the feds have told the HDOH they can’t release anything of Obama’s and if they release a verification for somebody else as prescribed by law it will prove that they are treating Obama’s records differently. " I tend not to rely on "a person in the office told me" type stuff, having been around bureaucratic rumor mills (hospitals, in my case) for too long. A simple test should be if they released verifications for anyone prior to 2008 but after the 1977 statute. Is there evidence for that? Is there evidence of a noncertified copy of a COLB being provided to a nonqualified applicant in that time frame?
I don't put delays in the same category, as they have said they have a much higher volume of requests for Obama data than for anyone else's.
They SAID to us haoles that they don’t issue long-form BC’s any more. But there is video footage of them doing just that in their office. This might be evidence I'd believe. So
Alfred Itamura, with the approval of ombudsman Robin Matsunaga, says noncertified copies are definitely permitted. Disagree if you like but do realize that you are disagreeing with the Ombudsman’s Office and not just me.
Section 2.3 of the DOH Administrative Rules is a general reference for ALL requests, not just noncertified requests. So it is talking about requests for certified copies as well as for non-certified copies. To say that the applicant has to establish their right to receive the records is necessary because certified copies are restricted. To establish my right to receive a non-certified abbreviated certificate all I need to do is establish that I am “any person”.
There is no conflict.
You’re ignoring what I said. Rather than let anybody know they are treating Obama’s records differently, they are choosing to break the law with EVERYBODY. It’s actually the same mentality as shown in the “standing” issues: as long as they screw everybody equally it doesn’t matter that they are screwing anybody - or in this case, breaking the disclosure laws for everybody.
What I’m talking about is not water-cooler talk. This is communications that both I and my colleague were told by workers at the HDOH when we questioned what the heck was going on with our requests. In both instances we were told that Obama’s records are being treated differently, and that the delays we were experiencing were because the HDOH treats Obama’s records differently.
I’d have to look to find it again, but Buckeye Texan also spoke to a worker at the HDOH, and the worker would only engage on his questions if the worker remained anonymous to Buckeye Texan. Didn’t want anybody being able to cite her as the source for any information.
And the HDOH worker my colleague spoke to would not respond to any further communications from her after the conversation where he nervously explained that she had fulfilled all the legal requirements to get a verification but her request was being held up at the AG’s office because of the dilemma of not wanting the refusal to release Obama’s records to stick out like a sore thumb.
Those workers are afraid of retaliation.
This is not just SNAFU.
A higher volume of requests for Obama’s information would only make a difference in the “backlog” being only on the Obama stuff if the supposed “Obama” requests were kept separate from other requests - which they are. That is what the worker told me, and the index data request delay that my colleague experienced only makes sense if the Obama requests WERE segregated. So what we experienced matches what the HDOH worker stated.
The video of a long-form being ordered at the HDOH office and the HDOH worker saying it should arrive in a week was taken in the summer of 2010 - a year after the HDOH claimed they couldn’t release long-form BC’s. And right here on FR we had a poster a month or two ago who received a copy of her long-form BC from Hawaii by mail - albeit after a LOT of hassle from the HDOH. You can talk to Danae about that particular situation.
UIPA is clear that a person is entitled to receive their own records (unless it’s about a criminal investigation, for instance), so if they’ve got a long-form in the HDOH office, the law requires the HDOH to disclose it to them on request.
I can back up what Butter says here.
I got my own uncertified records, but I am telling you, I DID have to jump through hoops to get it. It took 2 separate requests, the first of which HDOH still has not filled, though I KNOW it is sitting in a pile on Onaka’s desk, because his secretary told me that is where she found the second one. Her comment was, (paraphrasing)’...oh he didn’t get to these...’ Well yes, of course not, because Onaka is not doing ANY of them unless he is seriously pressed by the person requesting them. I had to speak to him PERSONALLY to get what I eventually got.
In what other State in the United States are you forced to speak to the Director of a Department of Health in order to get an UNCERTIFIED COPY OF YOUR OWN BIRTH RECORDS???
Seriously!
Answer that question in honesty and its immediately apparent that something is REAL wrong in Hawaii.
They aren’t just covering Obama’s dumb ass. No, they are covering up institutional FRAUD. Decades of it. They registered THOUSANDS of babies between 1959 and some time in the 70’s and or 80’s if not LONGER, who were born overseas!!! To parents who were foreigners.... on the basis of a late filed birth certificate with a home address listed as the location of that “birth” with nothing other than a witness signature.
I am willing to bet that Obama HAS one of those late filed forms, does not have a Dr. Signature on it, and CANNOT PROVE he was born in Hawaii because of Hawaii’s institutional fraud!
That is why Hawaii is desperate. If Obama’s records EVER become public, it will out the state in what it did. You see, those falsely registered babies, GOT AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP BECAUSE OF THEIR FRAUDULENT COLB’S GIVEN TO THEM BY THE STATE.
Think about THAT for a moment.
Obama is a jerk of the first order, but he is NOT important enough to force the state to do what it has been doing with regards to his records.
Hawaii has bigger fish to fry than just Oholyo. It just happens that Obama knows about Hawaii’s fraud and has leveraged it to his advantage. Make no mistake, Chicago has NOTHING on the corruption which has and still does exist in Hawaii. For sure, Obama knows how to leverage corruption.
So in light of this I ask again, in what other state do you have to personally speak to the Director of the Department of Health in order to get an UNCERTIFIED COPY of your OWN birth records??
This stinks worse than a 3 week dead fish wrapped in the New York Times.