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To: usnavy_cop_retired
If the CIC is not legit, then all the military orders are not legit.

Yet he continued to follow them....selectively.

How can you follow an order if the person delegating the authority to give the orders is not legally authorized to delegate the orders?

Did LTC Lakin demand proof of the legitimacy of the commissions of all those in the chain, or just the CIC? Again, inconsistency, if he is insisting that personal verification is required for one link in the chain of command, yet trusting the legitimacy of the others' authority without personal confirmation.

With nutcases like Holly A. Graf getting glowing FITREPs and advancing, how can we trust that other things haven't been swept under the rug? It is the duty of every officer to demand original documentation of every person in the chain of command whenever an order is received! </sarc>

I believe that Obama is not legit. Can I prove it? No. But all the evidence appears to say he is not qualified under the constitution.

No. Much of the evidence is unclear. There's a difference between "appears to say he's not qualified" and "does not appear to say he's qualified"...absence of evidence does not demonstrate the negative.

There are huge questions. But there are other explanations that cover the possibilities just as well if not better. Plus, he hasn't spent much at all on these lawsuits. Note that earlier claims were looking at his total legal bills, which were mainly campaign and other costs.

Why would anyone spend so much time, and money, defending attempts to view his long form birth cert?

On principle, perhaps? Perhaps as a Rope-A-Dope? Because of something embarrassing, not relevant to qualification? Etc.

I had to show that to ge into the Navy and to get a passport.

What country was that in? Here in the US, you don't need the long form.

Also had to show it to get a duplicate Social Security card.

Long form?! Wow...I didn't.

But also, "show it" to whom? To the nation?

18 posted on 12/02/2010 5:30:00 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

Ok. Let’s deal with reality.

There has been no questions raised about his CO. If there were, he would be correct to question the CO’s legitimacy.

The story so far is that he has asked, through his chain of command, for some type of proof that the CIC is legit.

Obama has refused to respond to his personal request and his chain of cmmand has stone walled him with zero response.

If I’m asked to do something and I doubt the authority or legality of it, I ask to see the law/regulation. My superiors have an obligation to show them to me. That’s not being an A**, that’s covering your A**.

I’ve shown the regs to many a sailor that asked me to “prove it” and had no problem with showing it to them.

If the issue is “security” then other rules apply. But security is not in play with the CIC showing his credentials to someone he has ordered to go klll “the enemy”.

If any one has standing to ask for proof of Natural Citizenship, it’s a soldier, sailor, marine or airman.

Sorry, but I feel you are wrong!!!


22 posted on 12/02/2010 6:17:51 AM PST by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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