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To: PA-RIVER
Obama is not Indonesian? His name is Soebarkah. Its on his mothers passport. He was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen.

Did Lolo Soetero adopt Obama as his child and was Soebarkah naturalized as an Indonesian citizen? It certainly looks that way. I recall Ann Soetoro on her passport application said she would stay in Indonesia indefinitely.

So this begs the question does Obama/Soebarkah still have an Indonesian citizenship, and did he apply to schools as an Indonesian citizen? No wonder Obama/Soebarkah had his LA lawyers squash the subpoena that would have opened his Occidental school records.

So who is the "Nut" here in light of these questions? The real Nut is the one calling people nuts who think Obama still has or had an Indonesian citizenship.

671 posted on 10/15/2010 8:58:22 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

To me, the most disgusting aspect of these defenders of Barry the Bastard is the obvious disregard for whether their little _resident is Constitutionally eligible. They don’t actually want an answer to the issues because they don’t consider the Constitutional eligibility to be that important, or they want it set aside for their chosen one. And the rest of the moldy old paper has about that same respect level to these obamanoids. Oh, they’ll lie and say they respect the Constitution, but in reality their ardent apologetics for the Bastard says otherwise.


672 posted on 10/15/2010 9:03:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Red Steel
Thanks Red.

Everything we need to learn, we learn when we are children.

When we see Al Gore parade around and harp about global warming, we can remember the story of Chicken Little crying about the sky falling. We know Al Gore is an Idiot. He is chicken little.

When we see a Obama dodge all requests to show any records, we can remember the King with no cloths. Every man in the kingdom saw his cloths and remarked how beautiful they were... until a little boy stood up and said he's naked. It was too obvious to deny the boys truth.

Right now, obama is the king with no cloths. His Mothers passport did it for me. He's the president who gave up his US citizenship. Yet all the brilliant minds tell us he didn't. But there stands the naked document from his own Mothers hand telling us he did.

685 posted on 10/15/2010 9:55:40 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Red Steel; PA-RIVER

“The real Nut is the one calling people nuts who think Obama still has or had an Indonesian citizenship. “

You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts.


“A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
3. sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of section 349(a)(5), Americans cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below.

C. REQUIREMENT - RENOUNCE ALL RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES

...A person who wants to renounce U.S. citizenship cannot decide to retain some of the privileges of citizenship, as this would be logically inconsistent with the concept of renunciation. Thus, such a person can be said to lack a full understanding of renouncing citizenship and/or lack the necessary intent to renounce citizenship, and the Department of State will not approve a loss of citizenship in such instances...

...F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.

...(Section 351(b) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen...

http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

POTENTIALLY EXPATRIATING ACTS

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

ADMINISTRATIVE STANDARD OF EVIDENCE

As already noted, the actions listed above can cause loss of U.S. citizenship only if performed voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship. The Department has a uniform administrative standard of evidence based on the premise that U.S. citizens intend to retain United States citizenship when they obtain naturalization in a foreign state, subscribe to a declaration of allegiance to a foreign state, serve in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or accept non-policy level employment with a foreign government.

DISPOSITION OF CASES WHEN ADMINISTRATIVE PREMISE IS APPLICABLE

In light of the administrative premise discussed above, a person who:

1. is naturalized in a foreign country;
2. takes a routine oath of allegiance to a foreign state;
3. serves in the armed forces of a foreign state not engaged in hostilities with the United States, or
4. accepts non-policy level employment with a foreign government,

and in so doing wishes to retain U.S. citizenship need not submit prior to the commission of a potentially expatriating act a statement or evidence of his or her intent to retain U.S. citizenship since such an intent will be presumed.

When, as the result of an individual’s inquiry or an individual’s application for registration or a passport it comes to the attention of a U.S. consular officer that a U.S. citizen has performed an act made potentially expatriating by Sections 349(a)(1), 349(a)(2), 349(a)(3) or 349(a)(4) as described above, the consular officer will simply ask the applicant if there was intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship when performing the act. If the answer is no, the consular officer will certify that it was not the person’s intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship and, consequently, find that the person has retained U.S. citizenship.

http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html

Sorry to bother birthers with facts.


686 posted on 10/15/2010 10:00:14 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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