[John S Mosby]

Of course, everyone in the “non-secret” society always tells the truth on their brother citizen, whether they are allied with them or not. You know, the “little people” are pure of heart and motivation in all things. They would never lie to protect an associate! Masons, in paranoid ramblings, are by virtue of their oath, to be suspected of vast control over society. Disregarding other groups and their oaths:
Omerta
Code Duello
Hibernians
Sinn Fein Sons of Italy
Knights of Columbus
Rotary International
KGB/modern revision
CIA
FBI
Jacksonian Democrats IWW Let's put it this way— if you want to believe in a vast Masonic conspiracy that's fine. It's right up there with anti-Catholic bigotry,Clinton's secret pact with aliens,motherships,and any number of other constructs which keep people warm at night. The big bad world doesn't owe us a thing. Radical Islam, the Cordoba Mosque and the p-resent-dent, on the other hand has cogent proveable, factual links as a threat to the free world, and Constitutional outcomes we CAN affect.

[RummyChick]

Interesting that you keep trying to downplay what really goes on in the higher levels of Freemasonry.

There is plenty of evidence FROM FORMER HIGH LEVEL MASONS..but you don’t want to address that, eh?

But here is something really interesting..
George Washington..one of our Founding Fathers...believed in the Illumnati. Oh yes, he was convinced of it and that it has reached American Shores.

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

“The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned”

He EMPHASIZED the word THIS in “this country” and the word “LODGES”

So, has it advanced it’s tentacles since then? The more you try to deny the possiblity..when even George Washington believed in them..the more you are suspect.

I saw where Washington left the Freemasonry in the later part of his life. Don’t know if it is true.

Who are the forces behind the scenes? I don’t know. I don’t rule out that they are Freemasons. Not peon Freemasons. POWERFUL Freemasons. You know...like the Rothschilds ..who have had a profound effect on things that have gone on in the World.