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Raids are increasing on farms and private food-supply clubs
Grist ^ | 14 July 2010 | David Gumpert

Posted on 07/14/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: editor-surveyor
E-coli doesn’t affect those that have the strong immune systems that come from using raw dairy!

LOL!

Minnesota Dairy Farm Likely Source Of E. Coli Outbreak In Raw Milk

In recent days, at least five residents of Minnesota have become ill with the E. coli infection.

Several victims, including a toddler who develop HUS (hemolytic uremic syndrome,) were hospitalized. HUS is a serious complications that may develop from E. coli food poisoning, and can cause life-long kidney damage to patients. This usually occurs in the elderly and the very young.

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I guess the toddler didn't drink your raw milk long enough to build up the strong immune system before it got hemolytic uremic syndrome.

161 posted on 07/14/2010 5:19:18 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Mase
Unless you were testing grandma's milk every time, you'd have no idea which bugs were present and which ones weren't.

Sorry, gotta go. I'm supposed to be dead now and didn't know it.

162 posted on 07/14/2010 5:20:41 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: Hiddigeigei
Pasteurization was started in the first couple of decades of the last century.

And you have to look at why it was needed. Large groups of cattle huddled together in large feedlots. This was not so common prior to the turn of the 20th century.

163 posted on 07/14/2010 5:31:09 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberal Logic: Mandatory health insurance is constitutional - enforcing immigration law is not.)
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To: Westbrook

That’s my vision of the currency of the future. Gold, lead and chickens.


164 posted on 07/14/2010 5:37:00 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: Lorianne; Black Agnes

When Veggies are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Veggies!


165 posted on 07/14/2010 6:07:28 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Westbrook

Is your son looking for a wife? LOL!

You raised yourself a perfect son, IMHO. God Bless You!


166 posted on 07/14/2010 6:08:54 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: Black Agnes

167 posted on 07/14/2010 6:14:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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To: rhoda_penmark

Back in the day cows had a lot of diseases that could be transmitted through milk. Modern technology has cleaned them up. No one would add a cow to their milk herd without having her tested. Most states are now considered brucellosis free and I haven’t heard of even one cow with tuberculosis in my lifetime in my area but these diseases used to be common.

Pasteuration was vital when the process was discovered and has saved countless lives but modern technology makes it much safer to drink unpasturized milk than ever before.


168 posted on 07/14/2010 6:53:47 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Mase

You know, my mother and SIL both got Valley Fever from moving to the Southwest. My SIL was never the same, everytime she got sick her lung collapsed but that doesn’t stop people from moving to the SW.

People drive, it isn’t very safe. Some people live safe lives and get hit by lightening. You get to choose your poison and you get to choose the degree of danger that you are comfortable with but rarely is life safe.


169 posted on 07/14/2010 7:07:41 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Lorianne
And here I thought the IRS was the only federal agency that acted like the Gestapo.

Silly me.

170 posted on 07/14/2010 7:07:58 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: editor-surveyor

I was raised mostly on pateurized milk, anytime my mother found a supply of raw milk we got it but with 6 kids living in town it was a rarity. I had a lot of digestive problems all my life and finally gave up milk and milk products completely and have been great. Just the way I feel makes the lack worth it.

About a year ago a young couple invited us over for homemade ice cream made with fresh milk. I ate it to be polite knowing I was going to pay dearly for it, I had no ill effects. So then I thought that I had overcome my problems and started eating dairy products...not for long.


171 posted on 07/14/2010 7:15:48 PM PDT by tiki
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To: mountainbunny

“...but I feel very strongly about this issue.”

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I doubt that many here would disagree with you.
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172 posted on 07/14/2010 7:26:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Pasteurized milk causes far more of the diseases that you list than does raw.

List theses diseases and explain, in as much detail as possible, what it is in pasteurized milk that is responsible for the specific disease you cite.

but the dairies that specialize in raw products are considerably cleaner,

I see you've never spent any time on a farm.

The heating of milk destroys all the natural protections, such as the digestive enzymes that raw milk naturally has

Raw milk doesn't kill pathogens. However, the heating of milk does kill pathogens. Pasteurization does not inactivate xanthine oxidase, lactoperoxidase or lysozyme. Or, were you thinking of something else? As an aside, your body produces all the enzymes it requires.

the colostrum, which is a natural disease fighter

Pasteurization may reduce the amount of IgG in colostrum but it certainly doesn't destroy it. Or is there some other functional protein you're overly concerned about?

and converts the lactose to a higher glycemic level.

Huh? Are you laboring under the delusion that pasteurization turns lactose into beta lactose, which causes a higher GI? If so, you are incredibly confused. Regular pasteurization isn't even hot enough to kill all the organisms in milk, (that's why pasteurized milk will sour) much less cause alpha-sugars to convert to beta-sugars.

Even if high temperatures converted lactose to a beta-sugar, the body would treat it like it does cellulose and pass it though the gut without any ill effects. Your body has enzymes that can only digest alpha-sugars so any beta-sugars that might form will just get passed. Since your body can't digest beta-sugars why does the glycemic index matter?

Pasteurized milk has been proven to be a cause of insulin insensitivity through inflammation that is an unavoidable consequence of undigested lactose being converted to lactic acid, and it also is strongly implicated in colon and pancreatic cancer for the same reason.

You need to look for new sources for your information. This is crazy talk.

Ceasing the use of pasteurized dairy products is often all that is required to end type II diabetes, chronic lung congestion, bladder infection, and toenail fungus.

Pasteurization causes toenail fungus? More crazy talk.

There is no legitimate reason to pasteurize anything, and all foods that get pasteurized become unhealthy to eat.

Unfortunately for you, the science doesn't support any of the wild claims you've made here.

One of the very last countries in Europe to pass mandatory pasteurization laws was Scotland. Prior to the enactment of this legislation in 1983, the rate of milk borne Salmonellosis in Scotland was the highest in Europe. A year after pasteurization was made mandatory, Scotland's rate was one of the lowest. A study was then conducted on the remaining incidence of milk borne Salmonellosis over a three-year period following forced pasteurization. During that time there were only 15 outbreaks and all of them were in the rural farming communities and none in the general urban population. This was attributed to the fact that milk consumed in the remote farming districts was exempt from the pasteurization legislation that applied to the rest of the country.

Nope, no good reason to pasteurize. Samonella, listeria, E. coli, brucellosis etc. are all good for you and help you lead a long and healthy life.

173 posted on 07/14/2010 7:27:45 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Your bacteria are much more likely to be present in pasteurized milk due to the poor sanitation at those facilities.

Yeah, right. Then I guess you can show us evidence of all the consumers suffering from bacterial infection from consuming pasteurized milk. With all those unsanitary conditions in dairyland it should be easy.

174 posted on 07/14/2010 7:31:01 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: editor-surveyor

It actually did cause diseases.

As I said in another post pasteurization saved lots of people. I also said that we can now test the cow for tuberculosis and brucellosis and many other diseases and as someone else said we have refrigeration. In its day pasteuration was vital, I would say it should now be a choice.


175 posted on 07/14/2010 7:33:43 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

“You know, my mother and SIL both got Valley Fever from moving to the Southwest.”

Doctors used to say that Valley Fever was hypochondria. A friend became unemployable because doctors at Kaiser Hospital placed comments in his med file that he was delusional because he had Valley Fever.


176 posted on 07/14/2010 7:34:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Your Obama level cognition gives you that kind of bravado.

I bet you liked when they sent you to Self Esteem sessions, huh?
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177 posted on 07/14/2010 7:37:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: rhoda_penmark

We are transplanted city folks who drank raw milk and made our own butter with it for over 10 years. It was wonderful and no one was ever ill. You need to inspect the farm and know the dairymen. Most are super clean. They and their children and grandchildren drank it, as well. Selling legally out of the bulk tank was extra money for some farmers back when milk prices were awful, as they are now.

We also still eat farm eggs. They _are_ washed. We eat farm pork, beef and chicken every chance we get and often butcher it ourselves. Ditto with venison.

Most of what we are told is simply scare tactics. Back during the Depression, the Feds killed pigs and dumped milk to make them cost more on the excuse that they were *helping* the farmer get a better price. Then, the city folk were filled with propaganda about how the farmers “at least ate free” in order to stir up a farm/city animosity.

Do you think, in the event of of some sort of disaster or emergency, that the inspectors will be there or anyone will care? People all over the world subsist on their own milk and meat and have for thousands of years. The human race survived. Farmers understand cleanliness in producing the final product.


178 posted on 07/14/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT by reformedliberal ("If it takes a blood bath, let's get it over with." R. Reagan)
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To: servantboy777
Some LEO's don't have enough to do, so they practice controlling the population one sector at a time.

Frightening.

179 posted on 07/14/2010 7:44:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Mase

“Pasteurization causes toenail fungus? More crazy talk.”

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This was the only salvageable line out of your empty-headed post. Your inability to grasp that inflammation that is almost solely caused by consuming pasteurized dairy foods causes the lion’s share of people’s chronic misery makes you look like a simpleton.

Or is it deeper than that? - Is this deliberate deception?
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180 posted on 07/14/2010 7:45:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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