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To: GOPJ; Smokin' Joe

My knowledge about the methane deposits came about when we were having methane leak into water supplies in Texas a while back and deposits exploding willy nilly in Texas and Oklahoma. Common knowedge from the industry was that if they filled mined cavities with water, it would preclude oxygen from seeping in, mixing with the methane and causing unhappy explosions. It turned out the water pumped into the “sealed” methane gas cavities flowed out and was replaced with air that mixed with the methane and resulted in willy nilly explosions. From that, researchers determined the methane cavities are not sealed or isolated as claimed by the oil and gas “experts.”

It was a long term research event...I am not going to go back and research it all again to give you links. Smokin’joe apparently is an expert on methane deposits in North America and all this so I asked him to give us links to his research in the area.


77 posted on 07/14/2010 11:47:58 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
It turned out the water pumped into the “sealed” methane gas cavities flowed out and was replaced with air that mixed with the methane and resulted in willy nilly explosions.

Well...I am depending on Wikipedia here :

Barnett Shale

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Hydraulic fracturing

Hydraulic fracturing carried out in the Barnett Shale is done by pumping water into the well bore at a sufficient pressure to create and propagate a fracture in the surrounding rock formation down hole. This is crucial in low permeability rock as it exposes more of the formation to the well bore and greater volumes of gas can be produced by the increased surface area. Without hydraulic fracturing the wells would not produce at an economically feasible rate.

80 posted on 07/14/2010 12:04:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SaraJohnson

You’re reply was plenty - I had just never heard of it before... Thanks for sharing.


81 posted on 07/14/2010 12:15:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (Voter intimidation? New Black Panthers and old White Citizens Council - brothers under the skin.)
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To: SaraJohnson
You talk about methane filling mined cavities? What sort of mining? What type of rock?

You have yet to provide a source for any of your information.

Perhaps you could tell me what geological formation stretches contiguously from Texas to New York?

I did not claim to be an 'expert' on methane deposits in North America, but a petroleum geologist.

You want links to five years of formal geological education and thirty one years of experience in the oil industry?

LOL!

How do I give you a link to a Westburne Drilling Co. Rig in Montana in 1979? Or a Cardinal Rig in Nevada? Or an Adcor Rig in Colorado? Or a Nabors Rig in North Dakota? or any of the two hundred wellsites I have worked on over the decades?

To save time, just google the Geological Surveys of those states and more (add in Utah, Wyoming, South Dakota, for starters), and don't forget the Appalachian states, either. At least some of the data will be there.

I reckon if your life can be put up in links on the internet, you haven't been out there much--but you claim to have done geological research, so I figured (since you are not a geologist) the research you did was at least partly on the web.

You are the one making assertions which don't have any evidence to back them. You tell me you did research, but won't provide your sources.

Getting snarky with me doesn't prove squat.

94 posted on 07/14/2010 3:59:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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