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Saudi Scholar's Fatwa Wades Into Controversy (Men Should Drink Breast Milk Before Contact w/ Women)
gulfnews.com ^ | May 22, 2010 | Habib Toumi, Bahrain Bureau Chief

Posted on 05/23/2010 1:48:28 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

Saudi scholar's fatwa wades into controversy

Saudi scholar gets into trouble for saying that women could give their milk to men for maternal relations

Manama: A Saudi scholar has waded into controversy after he said that women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women.

According to Shaikh Abdul Mohsin Al Abaican, a consultant at Saudi Arabia's royal court, a man who often entered a house and came in contact with the womenfolk there should be made symbolically related to the women by drinking milk from one of the women.

Under the fatwa, the act would preclude any sexual relations between the man and the donor woman and her relatives.

However, Al Abaican said that the donor woman should not breastfeed the man directly.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Abaican said. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing," he said, quoted by Kuwaiti and Saudi media on Saturday.

However, the scholar said that his fatwa did not apply to family drivers, explaining that they were not permanent and could be replaced. "The fatwa is only for those who live in the house or need to get in often," he said.

Al Abaican's fatwa was immediately rejected by bloggers as "a decision that is totally unrelated to reality at a time when people are thinking about bold and new space discoveries."

Many wrote that there was no reason for the fatwa to be issued and that scholars should focus instead on "much more significant issues."

The edict is also likely to be resisted by religious scholars keen on promoting a more modern view of Islamic values.

Exactly three years ago, on May 22, 2007, an Egyptian scholar was disciplined by Al Azhar University, one of Islam's most prestigious institutions, after he issued a fatwa calling upon women to breastfeed their male colleagues.

Dr Izzat Attiyah said that his fatwa offered a way around mixing of the sexes in the work place since breast-feeding established a maternal relation even if the beneficiary was not the woman's biological son or daughter.

However, following Islamic scholars' fierce denunciation of the fatwa as defamatory to Islam, Izzat retracted it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; War on Terror
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To: DogByte6RER
You gotta hand it to these Islamic clerics.

What has it been, 13,14 centuries this religion has existed, and they're still coming up with new ways to humiliate and debase women.

Now we've established that it's ethical to milk a woman like a dairy cow, then give it to a man so another woman won't have to be killed when the man barges into her house.

I can't believe women over there put up with this. Women over here should tremble at the thought of such a tyrannical regime ever reaching our shores.

21 posted on 05/23/2010 2:55:58 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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This is what comes from a completely debased and rotten culture, introspective and out of touch with the rest of the planet. This is just crazy. It would be a good thing if they could be walled off from the rest of us, and slide on down to whatever bottomland Saudi culture will eventually reach. If they ever lost their oil leverage, who would pay any attention to them? They’d be like an isolated village that has been out of touch with the rest of the world the last 2000 years.


22 posted on 05/23/2010 3:12:53 PM PDT by Nepeta
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To: DogByte6RER

DAMN! You should be banned for that! My eyes, my eyes!!!


23 posted on 05/23/2010 3:22:16 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: TShaunK

Certifiable.


24 posted on 05/23/2010 3:24:30 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: DogByte6RER

This makes perfect sense to me.

I’m going to approach all of the women I work with on a regular basis and let them know that I’ve converted to Islam, and that they need to supply me some of their breast milk to drink so that I can symbolically become a family member. And then we will be free to associate with each other.

One should ALWAYS do the proper thing, you know.


25 posted on 05/23/2010 3:33:16 PM PDT by john in springfield
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To: DogByte6RER

This guy could really benefit from being forced to spend an evening at Hooters or some similar establishment. He really needs to gain an understanding of just how far off the deep end of the spectrum he’s located.


26 posted on 05/23/2010 3:33:21 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mamelukesabre

somewhere somehow someone must have slipped me some dog milk.


27 posted on 05/23/2010 3:44:32 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: DogByte6RER

Great news: Islam is moving into the 8th century

I do have to hand it to this cleric, he is attempting to find ways to make Islam conpatible with the way the real world works as bizarre as the fatwa is


28 posted on 05/23/2010 4:03:41 PM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
You were saying ...

This guy could really benefit from being forced to spend an evening at Hooters or some similar establishment. He really needs to gain an understanding of just how far off the deep end of the spectrum he’s located.

He's not far off if one takes Islam seriously and that the word of the Prophet cannot be disputed or changed, and the Koran remains the same. The only "way out of that" is to abandon Islam as a false and evil idealogy -- one in which it's designed to overthrow governments all over the world until it is the dominant government over every human being.

On the other hand, if we were to look at Christianity, listen to that first sermon that Peter gave at Pentecost and to Paul's writings and the rest of the New Testament -- there is nothing that makes it "out of date" and it's as apprpriate in every detail now as it was almost 2,000 years ago.

Islam, though, doesn't "hold up" and is a "man-made" idealogy. Christianity comes from the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob and is centered on Jesus, the Messiah of Israel. And as the Bible says, He's the same yesterday, today and forever... :-)

29 posted on 05/23/2010 4:27:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mamelukesabre

“symbolically related” to a few hundred herds of cows? :P


30 posted on 05/23/2010 4:31:25 PM PDT by Cailleach
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To: gitmo
You were saying ...

What a sick, perverted philosophy.

According to the Bible, which is the Word of God (i.e., the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob), Allah fits the characteristics of Satan, as he is described in the Bible. Allah matches up with what Satan is.

No, I'm not engaging in some hyperbole here... but actually saying that we've got a description of Satan, from how Allah is described.

Satah is a real being, he had a major part in creating Islam as a false religion and to bring about his end-days persecution of the Jews (as is happening now). The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is just as real, and the Messiah of Israel (Jesus) is His Son, sent here for the Salvation of the world.

So, why you've got a sick and perverted idealogy here -- is because it's something that came from Satan, as he was preparing for the final persecution and destruction of the Jews (at least he was hoping so ...).

31 posted on 05/23/2010 4:32:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: dr_who
You were saying ...

Islam is stuck in the dark ages.

You know ... the intersting thing about that false and evil idealogy is that it is so "out of place" to what is going on today that you can say something like that -- that it is stuck in the dark ages.

BUT, if you compare it to Christianity, and the church age, which came into being at the time of Pentecost, when Peter gave his famous sermon -- you'll see that being almost 2,000 years old does not make "it" to be "out of place" for this modern day. It's just as relevant and true and real today as it was almost 2,000 years ago.

That's the difference between following a false idealogy and a false god, Allah, versus following the One and true and Creator God (the one mentioned in the Declaration of Independence), who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

32 posted on 05/23/2010 4:36:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Yup.


33 posted on 05/23/2010 4:40:56 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: LoveUSA
You were saying ...

These people are more stupid than anyone!!!

Well, being deceived by Satan, in his evil and false religion that he created with Mohammed and the false god of Allah -- that will lead to having stupid people, all right.

BUT, that doesn't mean that these stupid people are not "on the way" to taking over this country ... you don't have to be smart to do that...

See the "demographic video" for the reason ...

The United States will be a Muslim nation and under the control of Muslims in a generation or two -- guaranteed -- at the rate they are currently going.

See the following from another post of mine...


That evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam and the way of implementing it by Sharia law is already making inroads right here in this country — the good ole USA. We’re about to see a “takeover” of the U.S. by the evil and oppressive idealogy of the government of Islam (that is aiming for world-wide conquest and has stated that the U.S. is *on its list* to take over...)

And for those people who need some additional facts about what the evil and oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam is doing, look at some of the following.

There’s no question about it... the enemy is *Islam* itself and the evil and oppressive and false idealogy that it perpetrates. Some say the problem is “fascism” (instead of the basic oppressive governmental idealogy of Islam, itself). But, that is to engage in “political correctness” and nothing more... and sidetracks people from the *true enemy* in this war.

In one generation we’ll see, right here in the United States that “Islam” is the enemy and not “fascism”...

Muslim Demographics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

and also, this...

Islam: What the West Needs to Know - FULL LENGTH ENGLISH VERSION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781

and then, looking at this...

“The Third Jihad” (video - abridged version of film)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2271522/posts

This is the allowance of “false gods” to take over this nation because of the ignorance of the people of the land in regards to the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

And so, we see that we’re going to have the “false god of Islam” ruling over the USA and running the USA in just one generation from now.

34 posted on 05/23/2010 4:41:18 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I agree with you, but I have to add that humans are very capable of coming up with sick, perverted ideologies all on their own without having to enlist Satan’s expertise.


35 posted on 05/23/2010 5:08:52 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: gitmo
You were saying ...

I agree with you, but I have to add that humans are very capable of coming up with sick, perverted ideologies all on their own without having to enlist Satan’s expertise.

That's true and people do that. In their own sin nature they work to feed it by the various desires that they have, and the strive after those desires and they will do many things to satisfy those desires.

BUT, I should note here that the reason why this kind of hatred is a Satanic one, and has been instilled by Satan is shown by comparison to what people can do on their own.

Pretty much always, when people end up doing one kind of evil or perverted thing or another, it's to satisfy some desire that they have for themselves... there's something that it "meets" for their own person -- even if it seems twisted, it does benefit themselves.

What you have with Jews over the centuries with Islam is nothing that necessarily benefits individuals inside of Islam or even benefits Islam itself, as an idealogy. Jews are singled out in Islam for being the ultimate goal for race destruction on the end day. They will kill all the Jews. There's no personal benefit there; there's not a benefit that comes from "Jews" as a race, that spills over to Islam -- if Islam kills all Jews...

I mean, they don't say they're going to kill all other groups and utterly destroy them. But they do say so with Jews, without any personal benefit and/or group benefit (i.e., to the "idealogy" itself).

That's as opposed to the sins and desires that people have and what they can do in order to get them satisfied... a direct benefit to themselves, in some way.

Thus, this kind of hatred is a direct result of something "Satanically instilled" in this group of people and in this idealogy.

36 posted on 05/23/2010 5:28:44 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: mamelukesabre
I drink cow milk...so what does that make me?

Well unless you eat grass daily, it isn't working on you.
37 posted on 05/23/2010 6:04:03 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is the happy horsesh1t that comes with a sharia-law type mentality.

They make all these assinine laws and regulations, then finally one of the big boys wants to give someone an “out” to get around all these laws because it’s impossible to live life without breaking them and even they don’t want to lose their head over it, so you get additional, even more weird and bizarre exceptions that allow you to supposedly not break a rule.


Sounds like tax law.
38 posted on 05/23/2010 6:05:32 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
However, the scholar said that his fatwa did not apply to family drivers, explaining that they were not permanent and could be replaced. "The fatwa is only for those who live in the house or need to get in often," he said.

So the "law" only applies to semi-permanent employees or family members?

Wonder how all the Sri Lankans and Filipinos that work in the Kingdom deal with this new law.

Oh, it was rescinded because it MADE ISLAM LOOK TOTALLY STUPID! Either it is a rule or not, irrespective of how outsiders see it.

39 posted on 05/23/2010 7:14:11 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: DogByte6RER
Helen Thomas auntidope!

May Saudi men should take sufficient whore moans so that they can lactate!

40 posted on 05/23/2010 8:14:38 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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