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To: WesternCulture
Japan ever will be able to seriously challenge makes like Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin, BMW etc. --> incorrect comparison except for the first. Ferrari is a premium supersports car and can only be compared with Lamborghini or McLaren or that kind. Aston Martin is a premium car and can only be compared with Maybachs and some Mercedes and BMW series. Porsche is a supersport manufacturer with a very niche product (basically the 911 with variants except for the excellent SUV that looks like a bloated 911).

You can only compare Toyota to Volvo or VW or Peugeut or FIAT or SEAT or Citreon or Renault --> mass product cars. And it does pretty well against those, even in Europe. Also, compare sales of BMW, Merdedes and Lexus (a Toyota brand) and you'll find Lexus competes very well

In terms of safety, Toyota has a slim lead over Volvo and VW. In terms of style, well, that's a different matter and I think FIAT had loads of it, and the French manufacturers and Swedish have some quirky but superb styles. I like the German or Skoda styles though -- more solid and to my own personal taste
14 posted on 07/21/2010 9:38:19 AM PDT by Cronos (What's the point of a homosexual pride parade? Is an adulterer's pride parade next?)
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To: Cronos
Comments from my point of view:

“Aston Martin is a premium car and can only be compared with Maybachs and some Mercedes and BMW series.”

- In Europe, “premium cars” are vehicles like SAABs, BMWs, Audis, Volvos etc. Maybachs and the most expensive Mercedes’s, Bentleys and such cars are referred to as “luxury cars”. The vast majority of Europeans drive Fiats, Opels, Fords, Peugeogts etc. In some corners of Europe, like the richest parts of Germany, “premium” cars are average cars so to say. But Switzerland, Bavaria, Hamburg, Sweden and Luxembourg really constitute exceptions.

When it comes to safety, no court could convince me concerning the subject. They are lawyers, not experts on car safety.

Folksam, a Swedish insurance company that does a lot of research into this matter usually gives very high credits to Toyota models, but there are clear exceptions. I've read their reports for years on and from what I can tell they view SAAB as the safest make based on examinations of real, actual road accidents. Audi and Volvo are also ranked high.

But, naturally, their statistics and conclusions are arrived at from Swedish circumstances which differ from those of, say California or Sicily, where there, to begin with, seldom are snow and ice on the roads and so on.

15 posted on 07/21/2010 12:16:35 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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