Posted on 02/21/2010 9:46:46 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
Much to the eternal embarrasment of that august institution...
NO. The sheriff - THEY are the ultimate law in the states http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiBcC8_goVg
I say immediate arrest for Federal Personnel in these circumstances and incarceration in STATE prisons, judged under STATE laws. Dunno about you but I had all the Federal Government I need for one lifetime.
Obama would back down. Heck. he backed down from itsy bitsy Honduras.
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He will not back down from patriots and US citizens.
Of course, but the State Police as a backup ain’t too shabby. Just go for the Force - total overpowering local force.
IIRC, the argument over marijuana was that local producers were putting their product on the national market effecting interstate commerce; the federal government recognized no legitimate purpose for marijuana, so making it cheaper to buy marijuana inherently served an aim in opposition to the federal regulation of the “commerce.”
In the gun case, Montana seems to have anticipated this issue. By certifying that they are produced and sold locally, takes them out of the sphere of federal interest. The only way this could be dragged back into a commerce-clause situation would seem to me to be if the federal government affirmed that, as in the case of marijuana, they had a federal interest in reducing demand by artifically, purposely inflating prices, an argument which would put them into direct opposition with the 2nd amendment.
There fixed it. When's the call to arms?
IIRC, the argument over marijuana was that local producers were putting their product on the national market effecting interstate commerce; the federal government recognized no legitimate purpose for marijuana, so making it cheaper to buy marijuana inherently served an aim in opposition to the federal regulation of the “commerce.”
In the gun case, Montana seems to have anticipated this issue. By certifying that they are produced and sold locally, takes them out of the sphere of federal interest. The only way this could be dragged back into a commerce-clause situation would seem to me to be if the federal government affirmed that, as in the case of marijuana, they had a federal interest in reducing demand by artifically, purposely inflating prices, an argument which would put them into direct opposition with the 2nd amendment.
CAVEAT: When the issue is banning the gun outright, such as automatic rifles in the Brady bill, this then can go into the area of interstate commerce under the marijuana case.
That's because he has an enormous protection ring. No, I'm not talking about the SS - I'm talking about academia, the mainstream media, and the rest of the democRAT thug machine that carry his tainted water day in and day out.
We saw how he reacted to a real citizen - you can bet that he'll never let anyone normal (like Joe the Plumber) get near him again.
If only they wore blue helmets so we could win in a snowball fight.
Actually, in real life, the feds have given up on this, they are leaving the states with Medical MJ laws alone. In CA alone, if you have a medical MJ prescription you can carry about as much as you want around with you. I know one guy that has bags full of it he gets on his prescription. I don't use it but the feds have decided it can't enforce in a state that has such laws.
The SCOTUS was wrong to rule like that, BTW. Just as they would be wrong to rule that States don't have the right to ignore fed laws if they keep their firearms that are made, sold solely, in their states free from federal interference. The interstate commerce BS is just that, BS.
Proceed and tell them to POUND SAND!
I was barely aware of the ATF until they botched that raid on the Branch Davidians. I remember affirmative action female ATF agents bawling their eyes out at the chaotic scene. They were traumatized because some crazies had actually shot back at the ATF crazies. A big publicity stunt gone bad. They figured Bill Clinton would increase their funding
The head honcho David Koresh could have been easily arrested off the compound with a minimum display of force
I think that the first published account of IRS agents invading premises with shotguns (while it happens frequently) will be the their last. The people are in no mood for this.
Like when the Feds gave up on forced busing.
The government is not your friend, and contrary to what we were taught in civics class, the people are NOT really the master of the government. They are just told that, and as long as sufficient number accept the line, society remains civil.
More like bow down. That's more his style.
Let us not forget michigan in that mix too!
They already did. The pot case is Raich, and it was applied to a firearms conviction, by order of SCOTUS.
There is a case on the books of a fellow with a homemade machine gun, probably never left his house, and he was convicted (upheld too) on federal charges, via application of Raich, per order of SCOTUS. That is, SCOTUS told the Circuit Court to apply Raich to a conviction for the possession of a homemade weapon that never crossed a state line. United States v. Stewart.
If it ever comes down to that, it will come down to a contest of wills.
As long as the people targeted are under attack and the people doing the attacking don't suffer any serious losses on the field of battle and are safe from reprisal in their own homelands, then there is no cost to continuing to keep using overwhelming force to keep slapping the people around.
If that dynamic ever changes, then it will get to be a true contest of wills.
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