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To: Poe White Trash

Well, it seems that Africa has a morality problem so it has got to involve religion. Where else could it come from? By your statement (and I understand it,) you admit that all pagan cultures affect Christianity. Therefore, not all the teachings of Christianity would have the same, desired affect. How could it?

If Africa can not contain their sexual impulses, according to AIDS rates, crime statistics such as high levels of rape, baby rape, etc. then, obviously their “moral code” religion or whatever is not working.

True, statistics can be manipulated and maybe there are pockets where things are improving; one nation is cutting aids rates by abstinence programs encouraged by the Pope and fighting the demeaning condom distribution programs, but other than that country, I have heard dismal things. Maybe, they are lying about the statistics because of AIDS money.

You didn’t address my major point. Governments create the misery. I said Christianity in US combined with the Republican government is what gave us the most perfect, free, equality for different races, etc., like no other nation on earth. It is the best model we have to produce a productive nation with a people who have Free Will.


84 posted on 02/16/2010 6:52:34 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie
Well, it seems that Africa has a morality problem so it has got to involve religion.

This is a vague statement. Everything is "involved" with everything else. This is a truism that proves nothing.

Your position appears to be that a society's ruling religion somehow causes -- or cures! -- moral depravity. Given that South Africa is predominantly Christian, you appear to be arguing that the Christian religion is somehow causing their immorality and its products: child rape, sexually-transmitted AIDS, etc. I'd argue this belief is obviously false.

Where else could it come from? By your statement (and I understand it,) you admit that all pagan cultures affect Christianity. Therefore, not all the teachings of Christianity would have the same, desired affect. How could it?

Uhm, may I suggest that moral depravity comes from man's sinful nature? Sin is something that precedes human traditions, which includes traditions like both false religions and the true religion -- Christianity, which is revealed by our Lord in history.

As for the almost extinct traditional religions of South Africa, please present a proof of how they are directly responsible for the sexual immorality and certain kinds of depravity. Can you do that? Please note that, once again, I'm talking about religion, not superstition.

If Africa can not contain their sexual impulses, according to AIDS rates, crime statistics such as high levels of rape, baby rape, etc. then, obviously their “moral code” religion or whatever is not working.

Once again, you seem to be claiming that Christianity -- the predominant religion in South Africa -- has failed to reign in that society's sexual immorality. If you really believe that, then shouldn't you also believe that the author's case that a Christian Revolution is needed to save Western Civilization from evils is a pipe dream? Why bother to support a religion that, in YOUR view, doesn't work to further material progress and keep society unified and vice-free?

You didn’t address my major point. Governments create the misery. I said Christianity in US combined with the Republican government is what gave us the most perfect, free, equality for different races, etc., like no other nation on earth.

I adressed your major point in my post #73:

Once again, what proof do you have that the sexual immorality in African nations is any worse than what we have in the US or elsewhere? May I suggest that their social chaos, such as it is, may have more to do with their relative poverty and poor leadership?

You keep avoiding my recurrent question: why do you continue to chastise the very Christian people of Africa when there is rich material for criticism to be found in your own back yard (i.e, the abort-aholics and porn-aholics of the very Christian USA)?

86 posted on 02/16/2010 4:50:41 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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