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Dems 'Hysterical' as Obama Retreats on Health
Fox News ^ | January 21, 2010

Posted on 01/20/2010 11:01:28 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

The president said he would be open to scaling back health reform legislation in order to salvage it.

President Barack Obama suggested he's open to Congress passing a scaled-back health-care bill, potentially sacrificing much of his signature policy initiative as chaos engulfed Capitol Hill Wednesday.

Top Democrats said they would press ahead despite growing doubts among rank-and-file members that they can pass a bill they've been laboring over for nearly a year. A host of ideas offered in recent days have lost favor.

One day after losing their filibuster-proof Senate majority in a Massachusetts special election, exhausted Senate Democrats looked downtrodden as they filed into their weekly lunch in a second-floor room at the Capitol. "People are hysterical right now," said one Senate aide.

Party members clashed openly over what to do next. Sen. Max Baucus, a top Senate Democrat, appeared to throw cold water on a bill that would focus only on stiffer insurance regulations. Rep. Charles Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, scotched another idea, a complicated parliamentary maneuver to usher a bill quickly to the president's desk.

In an interview with ABC News, President Obama said he would be open to scaling back the legislation in order to salvage it. "I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements in the package that people agree on," Obama said. White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said later the president would prefer Congress to pass the comprehensive package, and hasn't given up on that option.

A pared-down bill could still restrict insurance companies

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; democrats; healthcontrol; obama; obamacare
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To: screaminsunshine

They had 220 for the House version. This is the Senate version. And the Massachusetts election has them scared.

They can’t lose 3 votes.


41 posted on 01/21/2010 1:51:00 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: screaminsunshine

LOL right. Listen the commitment to this bill was strung together on bribes written on toilet paper. You will see the dems abandon obama and wrap this around his neck and throw him overboard.
They are going to protect their political lives FIRST.
You don’t see the message that was just sent.

NO SEAT is safe. Those that thought their seats were safe in 2010 and would lend support to close races of others have a big freaking problem. They have already gone on record supporting a bill that the majority doesn’t want. If that same majority is willing to turn against how they voted a year before then they are doomed. You see all a challenger has to do is tout the incombents statements on health care and they have the biggest weapon. Death by self infliction.
Who is going to save them? Obama? His emergency fly ins are going to be famous for sinking any campaign. Olympics,global warming, coakley.
This could lead to a re-evaluation of who is actually vulnerable in 2010. Mid terms could end up to be Jonestown II electric-boogaloo.


42 posted on 01/21/2010 1:57:45 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Isn’t there a rule that says that no matter how bad a driver you are, someone has to sell you auto insurance?

Make it something like that. “Assigned risk” pools, maybe?

There most certainly was the “individual mandate” and the people do not want that.

The people don’t care much about the insurance companies.
A regulation dealing with what insurance companies can and can’t do is not a “massive enroachment on the foundations of liberty.” It might be bad policy, might be good policy, I don’t know. But it’s not something I can get worked up about at all. It sounds like one of those things that insurance companies don’t like, but the people kinda do.


43 posted on 01/21/2010 1:59:39 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Walkingfeather

If Zero’s interview with Stephanopolous is any indication, he does not get it. He was still blaming Bush.


44 posted on 01/21/2010 1:59:43 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: screaminsunshine

You are assuming, incorrectly imo, that the politicians actually look out for anything besides their own re election. Are you grasping the importance of what it means for the Dems to have lost in MA? It’s not only the loss of the super majority, it’s the loss of the bluest of blue seats in the bluest of blue States and a seat held for 45 years.

I will tell you this. The voting public now feels empowered. They see that it really is THEY who can control what happens in Washington and stop it dead if they’ve a mind to do so and act on it. It happened when the Congress tried to pass immigration reform and now it’s happened again.

Democrats and some Republicans all over America have received a serious wake up call.


45 posted on 01/21/2010 2:13:46 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: riri

Bart Stupack said Nancy has 100 votes that is all.


46 posted on 01/21/2010 2:23:54 AM PST by scooby321
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To: SupplySider
We need cost controls, through market incentives.

Econ 101. Product cost incentives don't work with inelastic demand.

The supply must be increased and one way is to eliminate barriers to entry ie regulations and unions.

Opne health care up to competition and you will see an explosion of providers and innovation.

47 posted on 01/21/2010 2:28:22 AM PST by Vet_6780 ("I see debt people")
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

The chains are OK as long as your neighbor is wearing them?


48 posted on 01/21/2010 2:31:35 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out; truthfreedom

Sorry, that reply was meant for truthfreedom.


49 posted on 01/21/2010 2:32:46 AM PST by listenhillary (FU Cass Sunstein - You are the embodiment of evil)
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To: tatown

I hope there are 218 Fanatic Rats willing to strap-on a Gubermint HealthCare suicide belt....these idiots are determined to self detonate. Let’s help them do so...lolz!


50 posted on 01/21/2010 2:50:27 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: SupplySider

Please send your list to John Boehner and Mitch McConnell today.

(Boehner was interviewed on Fox and said that he WANTS the American people to continue to be involved, calling, writing, Congress critters - so take him at his word...because he KNOWS the Demo-Marxists are NOT DONE with pushing this healthcare nightmare down our throats....)

The Big lie from the leftists is that the Repubs offered NO healthcare “reform” ideas....

Your list is exactly all that needs to be done - takes about one page - can be put on a video on youtube succinctly - and go viral.

Then shut these liars up from the left.


51 posted on 01/21/2010 2:53:39 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: Jet Jaguar

>> Indecision and hiding from questions is his game.

GOLF is his game... which also tends to explain why he delivers on so few of his promises.


52 posted on 01/21/2010 3:00:46 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: wita

coalesce around those elements in the package that people agree on,

and what poor pothead from Hawaii talks like that?

coalesce around those elements?.. LMAO ... hey dudes pass that joint around and then then we can coalesce about where to find some blow

what a phony


53 posted on 01/21/2010 3:26:22 AM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Jet Jaguar
I posted these to you on another thread.

They just seem so appropriate here as well.

I advise the Liberals to build an altar to their gods (Michelle and Barack), and perhaps burn a sacrifice.


54 posted on 01/21/2010 3:31:01 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SupplySider
Great list....

May I add a thought or two.

Insurance law notes that insurance can be offered to "natural groups" i.e. any group formed who's goal is not to aquire insurance.

I can think of 2 501(c)(3)'s near and dear to most peoples hearts that have a great track record, one as a business model, the other for their souls.

You got it, Credit Unions and Churches (i.e. any hall of Faith).

Imagine going to these two Insitutions and being able to log in and buy the policy of your choice from a menu of over 1300 policy providers and they getting a nominal renumeration to keep their doors open (something less than what a no-load brokerage house charges for a stock sale, i.e. less that $15.00...)

With these insitutions acting as the gateway, and equal tax free status per your No. 1, access would be esentially everywhere, with no excuses not to participate.

A twist on youe subsidy for the Poor. Tax deductions for wealthy Americans or those who would do it regardless of their means, is to "Sponsor" a family by helping them purchase a policy. Can you imagine someone like "The Donald" sponsoring 100 people, just because he wants to, because it is the right thing to do! Their are so many of means who are humble that would do this IMHO without any fan-fare.

55 posted on 01/21/2010 3:34:09 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Obama just threw his party under the bus! He sawed off Queen Pelosi and Dingy Harry's branches off under him. He pulled the rug out from Obamacare and left the Democratic leadership twisting naked in the wind! Now Democrats have to ask themselves why they would put in all this work, all this pain only to have a President of their own party walk away from the central signature item on his agenda? The Rats will be too busy tearing each other apart to focus their fire on the GOP.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

56 posted on 01/21/2010 4:00:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: counterpunch
The Democrats don't even agree on what should be in the bill. Neither house will accept the other's version. I love the way the Democrats have been left to hang. There are no good outcomes to however they do finally resolve this mess. A self-inflicted one, I might add.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

57 posted on 01/21/2010 4:02:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: arista

there’s another word for that “vicious cycle” - — when this happens to a risk pool, actuaries call it a “death spiral” . It can’t be stopped. As sick enter and healthy leave, the rates increase, which causes the more price-insensitive healthy people to chnage their minds and leave, too, which causes the rates to increase faster. The price spirals up, and the pool clears itself of all but those who are are near-certain to make claims.

Thanks for getting it.

I wish I could buy auto insurance after I had the accident.


58 posted on 01/21/2010 4:14:23 AM PST by Strident (Think. It's the new "feel".)
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To: SupplySider
Why the heck aren't Repub leaders shouting it from the rooftops? Even now they are letting Dems control the discussion.

This is why, even if they win back majorities in the next elections, they will fail yet again. Lack of leadership and the lack of desire to get their hands dirty by fighting back.

59 posted on 01/21/2010 4:39:17 AM PST by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: SupplySider
All the options the Dems are considering are price controls. Price controls have never, ever, worked. They cause shortages. Prices are not costs.

An excellent, simple summation of a very important basic rule of economics. Unfortunately, you might as well scream this at the side of a brick school building as try to educate the typical Democrat about it.

60 posted on 01/21/2010 4:50:54 AM PST by Hardastarboard (I am a light-skinned American with no Negro dialect, unless I want to have one.)
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