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To: ROTB; MestaMachine; xzins; blue-duncan; Jim Robinson
FWIW the Bible teaches that you should put to death for the following offenses:
    * Murder (Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21)
    * Attacking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17)
    * Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
    * Failure to confine a dangerous animal, resulting in death (Exodus 21:28-29)
    * Witchcraft and sorcery (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9)
    * Sex with an animal (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16)
    * Doing work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)
    * Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21)
    * Adultery (Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22)
    * Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13)
    * Prostitution by a priest's daughter (Leviticus 21:9)
    * Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23)
    * False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20)
    * Perjury in capital cases (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)
    * False claim of a woman's virginity at time of marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
    * Sex between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her betrothed (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

We don't do that stuff anymore, but nevertheless we can still be Christians and good Americans and believe that the death penalty for those offenses would still be just.

But we don't practice that system of justice in America, except for the Murder part and instead we founded our republic on the principle that all men are entitled to the right to believe as they choose, however we also limit the rights of people to practice certain religious rituals because they trample on the rights of others, such as killing witches and killing your children when they show you disrespect.

I would be more than willing to keep anyone out of this country that does not believe in Religious Liberty or that is not prepared to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Although I suspect it is a pipe dream, I would hope that most Muslims in America are not here to destroy our nation, but to enjoy the blessings of Liberty that were won by the blood of patriots.

For this reason I could not sanction any law which would prohibit any religion from building a place of worship subject to the same zoning restrictions that all other religions are subject to.

75 posted on 01/08/2010 2:20:27 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; MestaMachine; xzins; blue-duncan; Jim Robinson

Hello P-Marlowe,

Questions you have not attempted to answer as of yet:

1) Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill? When you Google for “Taqiyya” you get results like this: http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
2) Would you rather “legitimately cry foul” or would you rather negotiate for reciprocity once you have leverage? Right now, we have no leverage, and Christianity is suppressed there, and Islam is promoted here, and the Muslims think we are stupid, and actively exploit this oversight. Why would they voluntarily stop oppressing Christians and Jews sometime in the future if they have not until now?
3) John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Do you think he was talking about Muslims who are instructed in their Qur’an to deliberately lie to be in a position to kill as commanded in the Qur’an?
4) According to this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1222977/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-The-outrageous-truth-slips-Labour-cynically-plotted-transform-entire-make-Britain-telling-us.html the British government deliberately wanted to transform England into a multicultural society. If it is happening there, don’t you think it is at least possible the same deliberate sabotage is happening here?
5) Have you seen this article? http://radarsite.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-takeover-of-west-how-it-works.html It describes how Muslim evil behavior exponentially increases against their linear increase in population. What do you think of them? Given we have done nothing so far, and the situation continues to worsen, how do we effectively respond beyond “legitimately cry foul” which we do, but has had zero *results* so far?
6) Jesus said “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” in . Might letting the Muslims come here, and proselytize and breed until they reach sufficient numbers per http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/the-muslim-takeover-of-america/ to take over, perhaps doing so is “casting pearls before swine”? If not, why not? How do you apply in real life?
7) NEW — Given government is ordained by God in Romans 13 to punish evil, why let Muslims into this country in the first place, given the extremists are given to mass murder, and the “moderates” never condemn it? How is American society edified by having such people?

One through six are unanswered, and seven is new. I also swapped one of the links for a better one.

Have a wonderful day!


76 posted on 01/08/2010 2:42:37 PM PST by ROTB (Public Option vs. Insurance: Armed men at my door demanding payment vs a "bill")
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To: P-Marlowe; MestaMachine; xzins; blue-duncan; Jim Robinson

8) Seen these pictures? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2424261/posts?page=11#11
9) Seen this quote? “Please pay attention to my statement: I have decided to fight Islam. Not the political Islam. Not the militant Islam. Not the radical Islam. Not the Wahhabi Islam. But Islam itself. I truly believe that the West has invented these terms for the sake of being ‘politically correct’... Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem.” It is sourced at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_Sultan

I am patient for a reply to 1-9 P-Marlowe.

I hope you are having a great day.


77 posted on 01/08/2010 4:31:03 PM PST by ROTB (Public Option vs. Insurance: Armed men at my door demanding payment vs a "bill")
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To: P-Marlowe

If you want to argue religion, post it on a religion thread in the proper forum. I will NOT allow this thread to be hijacked and turned into a religious war. Stop it.


85 posted on 01/08/2010 7:03:14 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: P-Marlowe

P-Marlowe —

We are on the same side in being offended at the mere mention of tampering with the Bill of Rights.

That said, let me take gentle exception to the examples you used of Biblical commands that we no longer obey. All of those that you listed are tenets of the Law of Moses, a covenant between Jehovah and the children of Israel.

Those commands do not apply to Christians today and haven’t for 2,000 years. As Paul explained, “So the Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the Law.” Galatians 3:24-25

I agree with you that we should never tamper with our guarantee of religious freedom. We can, however, enforce upon the religion of hate our existing laws against violence and conspiracy . No mosque and no muslim can be allowed to infringe upon our lives, liberties, or pursuit of happiness.


99 posted on 01/08/2010 8:49:15 PM PST by Jedidah
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