Posted on 12/01/2009 7:43:51 PM PST by Bigtigermike
Three months ago, I joined a number of Americans in urging President Obama to provide the resources necessary to achieve our goals in Afghanistan. Tonight, I am glad he mostly heeded that advice........
No two circumstances of any governors resignations are exactly alike. Each has it's own peculiar circumstances.
The good news is, Sarah Plain did not resign because of the usual corruption and sleaze that forces governors to resign. Even the FBI had to come out and clearly state that there were in fact NOT investigating Sarah Palin for ANY corruption, after the loony left vermin tried to push that theory.
Anyone who resigns for the interest of their state, without any sleaze or corruption, and has in fact been a great fighter AGAINST corruption even in her own party, has my support.
There are very few politicians as principled as she is, in this country right now.
Again, victory doesn't gtet a s=a different definition because we are in Afghanistan.
Well what would constitute victory in your opinion?
“That is not Obama’s definition of victory and that is not why we are sending more troops in.”
0bama doesn't believe in ANY kind of victory for America. Period!
So why does Palin support him sending more troops in when she should know he doesn't want victory?
He'd probably have bowed to the Japanese emperor and kissed Hitler's butt in WW II as well. The guy has been an America-hating POS all his life. 0bama is being dragged kicking and screaming to actually fight the Al Quaeda vermin who he in reality has plenty of sympathies for.
So, Obama isn't going for 'victory' why did Palin issue a statement supporting his sending more troops in?
“Now is the time for Palin to criticize the plan, not wait for it to fail and more troops to die in a needless war that will accomplish nothing”
The general in charge of Afghanistan, McCrystal demanded those extra troops so he can finish the job. After months of waffling 0bama is finally agreeing with the general and agreeing to send the troops, like the generals on the ground demanded.
And what would constitute 'finishing the job'?
He also gave a much higher number of troops if a sure victory (destruction of the Taliban) was the goal.
Obama is giving him half of what he requested.
What is retarded is to go about putting time tables on when the troops will leave. That is in effect telling the Taliban to hang around till the US soldiers leave, then take over.
Yes, and Palin supported Obama sending in more troops, even though they aren't being sent in to defeat the enemy, only to buy time for the U.S. to leave.
Both McCain(n that meeting with 0bama yesterday) and Sarah Palin strongly brought it home to 0bama that this part of the plan is not acceptable.
So, are the now criticizing the plan or are they still supporting Obama in sending the troops?
Will they take a stance and reject sending any troops unless it is to win or take the middle ground, like Obama and say that 30,000 is better then nothing?
Below is a definition of victory from the dictionary.
Now, what would constitute victory in Afgan.?
1. a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war. 2. an engagement ending in such triumph: American victories in the Pacific were won at great cost. 3. the ultimate and decisive superiority in any battle or contest: The new vaccine effected a victory over poliomyelitis. 4. a success or superior position achieved against any opponent, opposition, difficulty, etc.: a moral victory.
Good points. The uncritical Palin worshipers can’t just stand to admit that she is supporting his dumb-ass Afghan policy. They’ll go a cliff for her and her neocon/pro-Obama foreign policy.
Plenty of governors have resigned from all kinds of pressure, usually because they are corrupt as hell, and have been found out.
That Sarah Plain resigned from fraudulent lawsuits, and NOT from sleaze and corruption a a big PLUS for her.
“I know how he handled far greater pressure in the White House”
He wasn't being financially ruined by fraudulent lawsuits in Washington. You don't know what he would have done of he had been put under the same circumstances in California as Sarah Plain was put in Alaska.
No two circumstances of any governors resignations are exactly alike. Each has it's own peculiar circumstances. The good news is, Sarah Plain did not resign because of the usual corruption and sleaze that forces governors to resign. Even the FBI had to come out and clearly state that there were in fact NOT investigating Sarah Palin for ANY corruption, after the loony left vermin tried to push that theory Anyone who resigns for the interest of their state, without any sleaze or corruption, and has in fact been a great fighter AGAINST corruption even in her own party, has my support.
The good news is that she was innocent of the ethics charges, the BAD news was that she quit anyway and allowed them to pressure her out.
She quit for her own personal reasons, not for the 'good of the State'.
She and her State were facing extortion and she gave into it.
So, when the Democrats don't like some other Republican Gov. they can now feel they can force him out of office as well?
There are very few politicians as principled as she is, in this country right now.
Resigning was not being principled, it was pragmatic.
Sarah jumps in too soon. A mistake.
Duh! is indeed the correct word to describe that simplistic view. The bones of that country are littered with the bones of soldiers sent by politicians of different countries who said the same thing. The Soviets (who adopted a scorched earth policy) and the Brits also thought they could win in Traschanistan. Sarah's support for Obama's nation building war should disqualify her from all future consideration as a presidential candidate.....of course, nothing will shake the faith of the Sarah worshippers.
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does all that spinning make you dizzy?
Does all the mindless 0bamabot shilling make your voice hoarse?
The good news is she was not only innocent of any charges filed aginst her, she is the biggest fighter against corruption Alaska has seen in a very long time.
The further good news is, she resigned for the interest of her state and to let the state's business be run without being bogged down in fraudulent “complaints’ rather than just keep going at it, even when it was in the states best interest that someone else runs the state.
She should be strongly commended for that. That is why her poll numbers are rising after Americans read her story in her book.
Plenty of governors have resigned from all kinds of pressure, usually because they are corrupt as hell, and have been found out.
Yes, and that wasn't the same CIRCUMSTANCE.
That Sarah Plain resigned from fraudulent lawsuits, and NOT from sleaze and corruption a a big PLUS for her.
Yes, it is, but resigning is a big negative.
“I know how he handled far greater pressure in the White House”
He wasn't being financially ruined by fraudulent lawsuits in Washington. You don't know what he would have done of he had been put under the same circumstances in California as Sarah Plain was put in Alaska.
Well, I know Americans who lead this nation have faced finiancial ruin and never quit.
George Washington left his plantation for 8 years to fight the Revolution War at his own expense.
Read the history of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and see what it cost many of them and their families as well.
Those were men who understood principle and were willing to die for it.
Read of John Adam's wife and what she endured as he was gone serving the American cause.
So, save me the sob story about Palin facing financial ruin.
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She resigned BOTH for the interest of the state and for the interest of her family, which was being financially ruined by legal bills from fraudulent lawsuits.
Try running YOUR family when you have mounting legal bills amounting to at least twice what you make in the entire year, every 4 months.
What matters is: Is Alaska being run better now without all the fraudulent lawsuits that were directed personally at her, and not at anyone else else? YES.
That's all that matters.
The good news is she was not only innocent of any charges filed aginst her, she is the biggest fighter against corruption Alaska has seen in a very long time.
Yes, that was also very good.
She faced down corruption in both parties.
That is why she was popular in both Alaska and nationally.
Who is denying that?
The further good news is, she resigned for the interest of her state and to let the state's business be run without being bogged down in fraudulent “complaints’ rather than just keep going at it, even when it was in the states best interest that someone else runs the state.
No, that is the bad news.
She was elected to do a job and allowed the extortioners to win.
It is never in anyone's best interest to given into bullying or intimidation.
She should be strongly commended for that. That is why her poll numbers are rising after Americans read her story in her book.
No, she should be criticized for that and if she does decide to run, she will be.
She faced extortionists and she blinked.
When Reagan was threatened with a shut down of the air control system, he refused to be intimidated and wouldn't allow the nation to be either.
She resigned BOTH for the interest of the state and for the interest of her family, which was being financially ruined by legal bills from fraudulent lawsuits.
She put her family needs above the responsibilities of her office.
Try running YOUR family when you have mounting legal bills amounting to at least twice what you make in the entire year, every 4 months.
I didn't run for Governor of Alaska and then get elected.
She made that choice.
What matters is: Is Alaska being run better now without all the fraudulent lawsuits that were directed personally at her, and not at anyone else else? YES. That's all that matters.
No, what matters is that the extortionists won, they accomplished what they wanted to do, to cause so much trouble that it would force her out.
No leader can give into such bullying.
No matter what the cost.
Now is the time for some GOP leaders to come forward and condemn this half-hearted, politically motivated action by Obama.
If you aren't going to win in Afgan, then get out.
You would think that we would have figured that out after Vietnam.
GOP leaders will now go silent, lest they be attacked for not supporting the 'war effort'.
Lets see how far Palin gets in front of this and attacks this as nothing but a long drawn out defeat.
Read back.
These are exactly what you said, and I quote:
“Well, since she is the first governor I know of that did so”
So I pointed out that plenty of governors have resigned before.
Then you came back with:
“Those Governors who were under pressure to resign,”
So I pointed out that every single governor that has resigned was under some kind of pressure too.
It doesn't really matter what the pressure is, the fact of the matter is that plenty of governors HAVE resigned, which is directly contrary to what you initially tried to claim.
Having been cornered, you then turned round and whined:
"And how many then ran for President? " To which I swiftly replied:
"How many governors have resigned from office, and after just 5 months, are running virtually neck and neck with the incumbent president of the United States in the polls, and have better approval ratings than the president of the United States, the same president, who by the way, won elections with the highest percentage of the popular vote that ANY Democrat has had for over 30 years? "
To which of course you had no answer apart from your usual aimless waffling about 1st quarters and 4th quarters and "but, but she has nor declared her intention to run yet"
Well neither has anyone else. That doesn't mean no one will run in 2012 does it?
DUH!
What more ya got?
You continue not to see what the choices were. Sarah resigning to prepare for a presidential run, is the more ethical approach.
It is?
She hasn't even stated she is running for President!
The frivolous ethical complaints in Alaska would have become legitimate Sarah-isn't-doing-her-job complaints had Sarah prepared for a run traveling the lower 48 while staying on as governor.
So, she didn't want to be Governor any longer since it was hindering her 'run' for President (which she hasn't announced)
And you consider that a legitimate reason for her to quit her elected post?
wouldn't her credentials for President be more impressive with four years as a chief executive of a major State?
Wouldn't she have been a better candidate if she had faced down these thugs who were trying to force her out and tell them if she and her family had to live in a log cabin, she wouldn't resign?
Isn't that the frontier spirit that she is suppose to represent?
She put a very competent guy in charge of running Alaska, and then fought to rescue her family from crippling debt..
If it comes to choosing between letting my family starve and become destitute or being governor of any state, the choice is easy.
My family wins every single time. It's not EVEN CLOSE!
You see, unlike you left wing lunatics, real conservatives actually love their family over and above politics.
Tell me about it.
You didn't run for governor of any state either.
Those who can, do.
Those who can't , launch fraudulent lawsuits, spread nasty rumors and post garbage on internet bulletin boards about those who are actually tying to serve their state.
You left out 'under those CIRCUMSTANCES'
So stop lying.
So I pointed out that plenty of governors have resigned before. Then you came back with: “Those Governors who were under pressure to resign,” So I pointed out that every single governor that has resigned was under some kind of pressure too. It doesn't really matter what the pressure is, the fact of the matter is that plenty of governors HAVE resigned, which is directly contrary to what you initially tried to claim. Having been cornered, you then turned round and whined: "And how many then ran for President? " To which I swiftly replied: "How many governors have resigned from office, and after just 5 months, are running virtually neck and neck with the incumbent president of the United States in the polls, and have better approval ratings than the president of the United States, the same president, who by the way, won elections with the highest percentage of the popular vote that ANY Democrat has had for over 30 years? " To which of course you had no answer apart from your usual aimless waffling about 1st quarters and 4th quarters and "but, but she has nor declared her intention to run yet" Well neither has anyone else. That doesn't mean no one will run in 2012 does it? DUH!
You swiftly replied!
Wow, I am impressed with your swift wit!
LOL!
You replied with an irrelevant point about her being popular in the polls.
She is also very UNPOPULAR as well, with high negatives.
And polls mean NOTHING three years before an election.
So, when I pointed out that it was the 'first quarter, not the fourth' my point was a valid one pointing out the fallacy of your meaningless appeal to polls.
So, resigning from her office is going to be a MAJOR factor if she does decide to run (which I doubt she will) So, stop your lying about what I said about Governors resigning.
We were talking about resigning under the same circumstances as Palin did.
What more ya got?
Don't need anything more, you haven't said anything worth dealing with.
She resigned as governor because she was being pressured by the Democrats to do so.
No governor who resigns under THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES deserves to be elected to a higher office.
Or is that too subtle a nuance for you to grasp?
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