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Birthers damage conservatism
American Thinker ^ | 8/13/2009 | J. R. Dunn

Posted on 08/13/2009 4:42:48 AM PDT by AJMCQ

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To: AJMCQ

My thing is, he could have been born in Hawaii or maybe he wasn’t. I don’t know.

I’m about 1000% more interested in the rest of the records that haven’t seen the light of day. It is astonishing to me that a media that told me more about Sarah Palin in 72 hours after she was named to the Republican ticket, cannot summon a single teaspoon of curiosity about this man. I need no other proof of their partisanship than this. My mom is a retired newspaper reporter. Back in her day, this would have never stood, regardless of politics. This would have been a story that would have been chased down. And the editor would have told her “to either come back here with the facts or don’t come back at all.” Editors in those days were rather hard-boiled types.

Not like Klein at CNN, who says “Don’t bring it up anymore.”

Every once in a while, I think about what I’d want, if I had one wish.

If I had one wish, I’d want Adams, Madison, Jefferson, Payne, Henry and all the rest to show up for just one 24 hour period, to see this mess we have.

Can’t you just picture it, what they’d say? “We gave you idiots the shortest, most concise Constitution in the world. And STILL you screwed it up!”

meh


21 posted on 08/13/2009 5:27:16 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: AJMCQ

Sometimes you just gotta stand up for what’s right.


22 posted on 08/13/2009 5:29:21 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: AJMCQ

Spin, spin, spin


23 posted on 08/13/2009 5:33:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: lonster

Invalid comparison. In order to be a truther you have to NOT believe in any form of science. In order to be a birther you have to believe in the law.


24 posted on 08/13/2009 5:38:40 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: AJMCQ
Not quite Mr. Dunn is right! If wanting to see the paper is damaging conservatism... then it ain't conservatism.
25 posted on 08/13/2009 5:49:15 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: the invisib1e hand
"groupthink"

What group are you talking about?

26 posted on 08/13/2009 5:53:38 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: AJMCQ

Birthers believe in the rule of law and want to see proof that it is being complied with.


27 posted on 08/13/2009 5:55:08 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Idiotcracy has arrived 400 years early.)
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Note: There are hot links within her commentary. Go to the link to her web site below if you want to access them.

Dr. Pat Santy (aka: “Dr. Sanity”)
Industry: Science
Occupation: M.D. (Psychiatry / Aerospace Medicine)

Monday, August 10, 2009
SHEER PROJECTION AND PARANOID FANTASY
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/08/sheer-projection-and-paranoid-fantasy.html

You can always tell what liberals** are up to by what they accuse you of.” - Ann Coulter

I am not a big fan of Ann Coulter; nor have I read her books, but I heard her say this on Fox News the other day and I was struck by how psychologically astute the comment was.

What Coulter is alluding to is the mechanism of projection, which is the psychological strategy by which the user is able to disown his or her own thoughts, feelings, and/or behaviors— even as they virtuously accuse others of possessing those same thoughts, feelings and behaviors.

In, “The Necessary Enemy”, Dr. Zero at Hot Air identified a crucial psychological defense that is required for collectivism in all its variations:

<>”Collectivist politics of any stripe requires enemies, because they rely upon coercion. Socialist utopias don’t come into existence spontaneously. There would be no need for confiscatory tax rates on the wealthy, if the wealthy voluntarily used their money to buy cars and houses for everyone in the lower income brackets, without requiring them to work in return. Nobody would be talking about nationalizing health care if doctors and hospital staff were happy to work eighty hour weeks for minimum wage, and pharmaceutical companies were run as giant charities that cheerfully sank billions into developing drugs they resell at cost. Few people would leave a sizable chunk of their estates to the government, if the government didn’t seize the money through death taxes. No large group of people on Earth has every freely chosen to peacefully organize themselves into a socialist collective – they either slip into it through small losses of freedom that seem relatively painless as they happen, or they are forced into it at gunpoint. If Franklin Delano Roosevelt had proposed Obama’s current budget and regulatory plans at the outset of the New Deal, he would have been laughed out of office, and if he had attempted to impose Obama’s policies by force, he would have needed infantry platoons and tanks.

The basic premise of socialist government, as Obama famously explained to a plumber in Ohio last fall, is to take wealth away from the more successful people in society, and “spread that wealth around.” This will always be a more attractive proposition to the people serving as the bread, than the people being used as the peanut butter. The creators of wealth must be forced to participate in the system, far beyond the point where a sense of civic duty or compassion for the downtrodden would keep them in line. After all, nearly half the country currently pays no income taxes, and they’re not all “downtrodden” people deserving of charity. In fact, the socialist dream is to reach the point where over half the population pays no taxes, and will thus be inclined to support all expansions of government power. You can’t get to the magic 51% of tax dependents just by using hungry orphans as props.
Increasing levels of coercion are necessary to expand the socialist system, and keep wealth producers trapped within it. To maintain popular support, the socialist needs voters to stay angry at designated class enemies. The Obama style of total government control over private businesses tends to turn feral with frightening speed, because it attempts to preserve the illusion of private enterprise, even as the “entrepreneurs” are enslaved to the total state.” <>

The psychological defense mechanism being described is projection (which, with just a little psychic push and hysteria becomes full-blown paranoia).

The beginning of the 21st century will surely be looked back on as a golden age of paranoia. The headlines of today fairly ooze with the delusions and vast conspiracies dreamed of in the mind of the paranoid left.

I will also admit that paranoia and delusional thinking are equal-opportunity, multiracial, multicultural and gender-indifferent psychological processes. And, they are so easy and convenient to use, that they are accessible even to the youngest of children or the most physiologically disabled adult mind. The political left certainly has no claim of exclusivity in the use of these two immature defenses, but they are without a doubt the gold medal winners in the American paranoid olympics, and the political right will have to work very hard to ever catch up with them.

Let us compare and contrast for a moment the paranoia of the left versus the paranoia of the right. Recently, Eugene Robinson briefly teetered on the edge of extreme hyperbole, then fell over into it without much resistance when he said:

<>”If there has been a more clinically insane political phenomenon in my lifetime than the “birthers,” I’ve missed it. Is this what our national discourse has come to? Sheer paranoid fantasy?”<>

Jonah Goldberg responded:

<>”Really? Did Robinson miss the 9/11 truthers? This was the movement that insisted the U.S. government was in on, or even orchestrated, the 9/11 attacks. Such theories went from the simply nutty to full-on whackjob bonkers. Some, like former DNC Chair and then-presidential candidate Howard Dean simply entertained the “theory” that Bush was “tipped off” by the Saudis but let 9/11 happen anyway. Some, like Rosy O’Donnell argued that the conspiracy was so advanced that the inside job was “the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel.”

Now, it may be foolish for birthers to assume that Obama’s refusal to release the full birth certificate is proof that he’s foreign born (as opposed to assuming he’s simply trying to gin up a controversy or conceal something else entirely) but is it really more crazy than thinking the United States government orchestrated 9/11?

There was also Michael Moore who insisted that Bush knew where Osama Bin Laden was but the president was simply keeping him on ice (Moore also believed OJ was innocent, for the record). The vast bulk of the left agreed with the Moore vision that Bush always knew there were no WMDs but “lied us into war” for ulterior motives. Those alleged motives varied in outlandishness, to be sure, but for a long while there no theory was crazy enough to earn much scorn from the Olbermanns and Conasons. When Moore’s film Fahrenheit 9/11 opened in DC, Democrats flocked to the premiere, unconcerned with the paranoid delusions and deceits it contained. Click here to see then DNC chair Terry McAuliffe looking gaga as he shakes Moore’s hand.

Oh and let’s not forget all of the nonsense during, and in the wake of, Hurricane Katrina when several prominent figures made all sorts of crazy statements. Randall Robinson said that blacks ­ and only blacks ­ were eating the flesh of the dead almost immediately after the flooding. Spike Lee and others insisted that the levees might have been bombed by the Bush administration in order to kill or scatter black residents of New Orleans. Cynthia McKinney says the American forces rounded up and executed 5,000 “prisoners” and dumped in the swamps of Louisiana.

Meanwhile, the GOP leadership and the vast majority of rightwing and conservative pundits have either rejected or ignored the birther stuff (including Ann Coulter and Pat Buchanan). But the GOP is supposed to own it. Democrats, meanwhile, were never held to a remotely similar standard when a far more evil and pervasive bout of paranoia claimed their own party. Funny how that works.”<>

Yes, funny, isn’t it?

There has been a series of bizarre conspiracy theories emanating from anxious leftists for the past 8+ years as they have desperately attempted to keep the holes in their ideology plugged; and thus preventing any **reality** from washing over them or flooding their cognitive processes.

Every time a leak in that ideological dike appears, the postmodern-progressive-paranoid chewing gum is brought out to plug it up. The TNG memos were a clever plot by Karl Rove. The Bush Administration was behind 9/11; Katrina was allowed to destroy New Orleans because Bush hates blacks. George Bush is about to impose a theocracy on the unsuspecting U.S. Pat Tillman was murdered because he wanted to meet with anti-war activist Norm Chomsky. Sarah Palin is not the mother of Trig and faked her pregnancy. The list of the paranoid delusions goes on and on and on.

Taken as a whole, they are evidence of an ongoing and determined refusal to face reality—because it is a reality that threatens the belief systm of a very large section of the American population. Without the delusions and conspiracies concocted by the always creative political left, their whole house of Marxist cards will come crumbling down.

Some have said that Unwillingness To Face Reality And Its Consequences is the most serious mental illness of our time; and that is most certainly true.

The bacteria of paranoid stupidity is very easily spread. The infecting agent is usually a true believer who cannot face some unpleasant aspect of reality (i.e. an “unpleasant” or “inconvenient” truth) that is starting to trickle out into the open. It must dammed up immediately. The paranoid gum is handy and easy to use—just chew it up and plaster it over the hole.

For the political left, the gum has created a series of interrelated and connected paranoid theories that link the Bush Administration to anything bad in the world. Obama himself resorts to this technique in practically every speech. His pattern is simple to appreciate: first he courageously takes responsibility for what is happening; then he forcefully reminds of that he inherited the problem and it’s not really his fault at all; it’s Bush’s. Now that’s how real “postmodern responsibility” works.

He just neglects to mention that his own party has controlled Congress since 2006—well before the current economic problems became evident. But that’s not relevant, is it? Funny how that works.

Just as the Jews serve as the handy scapegoat on which the dysfunctional Arab/Islamic culture in the Middle East can blame all their own societal failures; Conservatives and the political right serve the function of being the source of all evil in American society to the dysfunctional political left. If they did not have a George Bush on which to blame all societies ills, they would have to invent him—or, better yet, insert any current prominent Republican—e.g., Sarah Palin—into the same BDS scapegoat mold; and then transfer all their rage and hostility toward that individual or group. Not to have such a scapegoat on which to project their own inadequacies would mean they would have to question some very basic assumptions about their fantasized superiority.

In making paranoid pronouncements, the paranoid person always takes himself or herself extremely seriously. Rarely does the paranoid person present themselves to a mental health professional seeking help for their paranoia; or even complaining about their psychological projections, no matter how bizarre or dysfunctional they may be. That is because for them, the paranoia and the accompanying projections explain away and rationalize so much about their failures as individuals, ideologies and cultures.

The insane asylum we refer to as the Middle East and all its affiliates in Africa and Indonesia where Islamic delusion runs rampant, have a fully formed paranod fantasy that explains their lack of progress and their dysfunction in the real world. Likewise, the lunatic left also subscribes to their own special convoluted explantions of dysfunction and lack of power. In both cases, if the object of their projections did not exist, they would have to invent them because their world view cannot be held together without the gummy glue of the paranoid fantasies that connect all their dots. To them, the fact that Blackwaters and Halliburtons—or any successful capitalist business exists—is enough to explain their own dysfunction and lack of progress.

Funny, isn’t it, how this characteristic and prevalent delusion of the political left perfectly parallels the paranoid delusions of the backward Islamic oountries of the Middle East and their attitude toward the “evil Jews.”

If only Israel and the Jews could be “wiped off the map”; or, if only those evil capitalist companies could be “torn up into a thousand pieces and scatter[ed] to the wind” then Islam/Progressivism would be more successful.

Everything can be explained by this kind of paranoid logic. In fact, paranoia is really nothing more than the use of reason and logic in the service of the irrational and bizarre.

Are you poor? Someone must have robbed you of what you are entitled to!

Are you angry and experiencing hatred, but like to think of yourself as a loving, compassionate sort of person? Then the object of your hatred magically becomes the one who hates...you!

Is your genius not universally recognized? You must have powerful enemies that prevent you from achieving the success you know should be yours.

Have you made mistakes in your life? Someone has clearly tricked you into acting a certain way otherwise you wouldn’t have.

Has your ideology continually and repeatedly failed in the real world and resulted in death and misery for all who implement it? Take heart! It is not your fault or your ideology’s! Either it wasn’t implemented virutously enough; or there were evil [Republican, Neocon, Male, White, Christian, Jewish] forces (choose one or more) that have been plotting against it!

The above mental gymnastics allow the paranoid person to externalize blame and avoid responsibility for his situation in life, as well as his own feelings. It is always someone else’s fault and not his. It is always someone else who is experiencing the objectionable feelings, and he is always the victim of it.

In addition to externalizing blame for one’s own pitiful situation in life, there is yet another advantage to paranoia and projection: very often, a creative distortion of reality can reliably pump up one’s own self-esteem! You are the righteous; persecuting the true racists thus proving you, yourself, are incapable of any racist thoughts or emotions! Aren’t you wonderful?

Sometimes, it pumps it that self-esteem up at the expense of a great deal of fear; but nevertheless, it is comforting to know that someone appreciates your genius or the threat you represent. Clearly if the CIA, FBI, aliens, Jews , POTUS, Republicans, Business/capitalism, Big Oil [—fill in your favorite bogeyman here—] are out to get you, you must be very special and unique indeed.

In short, paranoia and its baby brother projection organize and distort reality in a way that makes it palatable; and, at the same time help the user to avoid recognizing some unpleasant truths about himself. When practiced on a societal or cultural level, it accomplishes the same thing on a larger scale. All you have to do is eliminate the external problem and everything will be all right and you’ll never have to question your beliefs—or say you are sorry— again.

The typical con artist does this consciously and deliberately and understands the effectiveness of the psychological maneuver. Con artists come in all sorts of political stripes, of course, but the left is far more prone to this sort of immoral maneuver because they have an intense need to appear virtuous. A con artist that I am personally familiar with, in fact, once astutely commented that the difference between leftists and conservatives is that leftists think they are “better people”; while conservatives think they have “better ideas.” In this, as in so many ways, the left is like a typical shame culture where the appearance of virtue is far more important than actually being viruous.

Reality is always redrawn in order to pump up their own righteousness and virtue. Anyone who opposes their policies is automatically branded as racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic— take your pick, depending on the circumstances.

Hell, anyone who offers ANY new ideas in these areas are automatically branded with one of the “isms”.

It is useless to point out the truth to people in the grip of these kind of paranoid delusions. It is just so easy to attribute one’s own cynical motives and unacceptable feelings to others, particularly when such attribution is culturally sanctioned.

It is inconceivable to paranoid persons that people actually exist who view the situation differently from them. It is inconceivable that they could be wrong about their perception of reality. Con men always think others are out to con them. In fact, most paranoids consider themselves the ONLY reality-based community, because they get to define what reality is and it is always what they happen to feel. And it is always about making sure they feel good and virtuous and self-righteous.

Paranoia and projection also provide a rationale and justification (to the paranoid, at least) for acting out against those who—from their perspective— stand in the way of implementing their social programs; or will not submit to the will of their god (whoever and whatever it may be).

Oh, and by the way: DO NOT make the mistake of thinking that only psychiatric patients who have a serious mental illness utilize these defense mechanisms. Paranoia is a symptom of many mental illnesses; but both paranoia and projection are also physiological states of the brain that can be achieved by otherwise “normal” people under the proper circumstances. The distortion of reality that occurs with the use of these defenses is always done to serve inner psychological needs.

Paranoia and projection as psychological defenses used by otherwise normal people are not mental illnesses that can be “cured” by mass quantities of antipsychotic medication in the water supply. Instead, they represent a distortion of reality that occurs in order to meet the inner needs of a crumbling self (or a crumbling ideology, culture, or society) that cannot otherwise be psychologically sustained.

To those who are using such a defense, their behavior and rhetoric seem perfectly logical and internally consistent. It is, in fact, as impeccable as any reasoning can be—considering that it originates from distorted premises. Paranoia has been referred to as “the rational in the service of the irrational” for good reasons.

And, by that kind of “logic” it makes perfect sense to use the maximum force possible to destroy those who the paranoid believes are responsible for the evil: e.g., all those absurd conspiracies that are wholeheartedly supported by the left that claim Bush and Cheney downed the twin towers; and have those who oppose them murdered. All those absurd theories that the Israelis created a disease that is specific to Arab genes or that the fictional Protocols are behind the lack of Nobel Prizes for Muslims; or even that the genocide in Darfur is just another Jewish conspiracy. These kind of paranoid fantasies all comes from the same psychological source.

As long as they maintain those delusions, they do not have to deal with the sad state of their own culture; their own sick religion; or their pathetic ideological inadequacies.

The “Birther” conspiracy could have been put to rest long ago if Obama had practiced what he preached about “transparency” and had released the long-form of his birth certificate; or if Obama had released ANY of his past records from college and law school—which, of course, he never did and thus his history remains murky and opaque without much external validation to this day. Nor did a profoundly uncurious media make any attempt to fill in the blanks of his opaque history (except to take him at his word). Instead of seeing the story as one of Obama’s lack of transparency and neurotic obsession with keeping possibly deleterious aspects of his past secret and hidden from view (which naturally makes reasonable people question what there is to hide), the media still believe the REAL story is presenting even the most reasonable of questioners about that lack of transparancy as delusional.

Granted that there may indeed be a few who will never let the truth stand in the way of their delusion that Barack Obama/Barry Soetero is not a real US citizen; how pray tell is that somehow orders of magnitude more serious than the 9/11 “Truthers” who can never be convinced that Bush and Cheney were the evil behind the attacks on 9/11?

I said in a post just before the 2008 election that I didn’t expect that an Obama win would “heal” the fundamental psychopathological and paranoid defect that drives the political left and their postmodern progressivism. On the contrary, it is clear that winning has only further hardened the baseline projection and paranoia and extended the delusions and conspiracies about all who continue to disagree with them.

After all, they now have to explain why their policies are making things worse, instead of better. And they will need a lot of scapegoats to accomplish that job.

Probably at least 50% of the population, in fact.
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**NOTE: Coulter call the progressive left “liberals”, but I won’t give them that title, since I am a classical liberal and don’t believe they deserve or are entitled to the label. To me they are “progressive” or “leftist”; which are both synonymous as far as I’m concerned with the term “collectivist.”

- Diagnosed by Dr. Sanity @ 7:04 AM [][]
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28 posted on 08/13/2009 5:55:11 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: AJMCQ

Mr. Dunn, Flouride while good for the health of young teeth is also responsible for much more brittleness in old bones. And for someone seventy of older - a broken hip can be a death sentence.

And look where we are since nationwide flouridation programs took widespread effect. Today the Marxist administration tyrant Obama proposes a plan that will push the old and inform into a renamed form of euthanasia: “end of life”. His dictatorship creates classes of the elite and entitled who receive the best of services and special grants of liberties and benefits. Today 40% ogf children are born without a father, where the father is unknown, or unmarried to the mother. US birthrates are way down, except (a curiosity of statistics) among those NOT exposed to flouride in their youth — those immigrants from third world nations where the water supply was not as “advanced” as ours.

Where the anti-flouridation “nutcases” right? History, Mr. Dunn, has spoken. Do you see what History has written?

They were right. Their angry, disconcerting prophecies have come true.

I am very familiar with great dental care, Mr. Dunn. I am friends with many dentists, my wife is a superb dental hygienist. We do not drink flouridated water, Mr. Dunn. Our children are now productive and healthy young adults, summa cum laude, Firemen and EMT, chefs in award winning restaurants. Their teeth are in great shape, Mr Dunn, when young they took vitamins with appropriate levels of flouride in them, an occasional flouride mouthwashes. As a family we use toothpaste with flourides, Mr. Dunn.

But we would never poison our own water system with the stuff, Mr. Dunn.

Mr. Duun, you are wrong on so many things. But the worst of them, Mr. Dunn, is that somehow, for some reason of extraordinary vanity, Mr. Dunn, you imagine that you are so much smarter and wise, and that we are — well, not. Is that so, Mr. Dunn? Is that really so?


29 posted on 08/13/2009 6:07:55 AM PDT by bvw
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To: AJMCQ

Conservatives want rule of law and constitutionality. It is the third-graders using the third-grade term “birthers” that damage anything.


30 posted on 08/13/2009 6:33:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

i was refering to the movement that 9/11 was an “inside” job.


31 posted on 08/13/2009 6:40:45 AM PDT by lonster
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To: lonster
Still in order for that to be plausible you have to not believe in many things one of which is science.
32 posted on 08/13/2009 7:17:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Daisyjane69
It is astonishing to me that a media that told me more about Sarah Palin in 72 hours after she was named to the Republican ticket, cannot summon a single teaspoon of curiosity about this man. I need no other proof of their partisanship than this. My mom is a retired newspaper reporter. Back in her day, this would have never stood, regardless of politics. This would have been a story that would have been chased down. And the editor would have told her “to either come back here with the facts or don’t come back at all.” Editors in those days were rather hard-boiled types.

Big bump to the top.

It is bizarre that we still have no idea what hospital the man occupying the White House was born in.

Think about that: the man with the most important job in the world, and we still don't know in which hospital he was born in 1961.

33 posted on 08/13/2009 7:25:12 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: AJMCQ

RINO’S Hurt Conservatism

There, fixed it.


34 posted on 08/13/2009 10:53:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AJMCQ
It's amazing how many on the left and now on the right - even - will ridicule a Constitutional requirement for the POTUS. The SCOTUS needs to rule on this issue, as precedent is not clear about the NBC clause.

Regardless of what happens with bammy, this issue must be clarified for future. I say at the least, all federal office seekers must reveal their long form BC, etc. and comply with the same checks as those seeking security clearances in the government. The first item, should be a requirement to satisfy Article II, Section 1, the checks should be written into election law.

This to prevent disloyalty and foreign allegiances.

35 posted on 08/13/2009 11:00:27 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: sport

According to some, everything we do damages conversativeism.
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Good point. We should stay at home, crawl in bed and cover our heads with our blankets never to leave - in order to not ‘hurt conservatism.’ Blah, blah.

Questioning bammy’s incredible shiftiness and obfuscation, only builds the public case against the mystery joker in our White House.


36 posted on 08/13/2009 11:04:04 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: EBH

And we need someone catalogging the violations of the Cnstitution. We need an 0athbreakers list started. This list is a list of charges and violations that can be used at a later time. If we are not recording and catalogging them they will be lost to history in the noise of the present.
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I appreciate your sentiments, concerns and suggestions. But do you think that list will find any more traction than the BC issue (Article II, Section 1) has in the courts? Who will hear these Constitutional grievances?

Also, as to the BC issue, it’s not a matter of spending a lot more time in review, it’s simply keeping pressure on him, while concurrently keeping pressure up on the other major fronts.

Painting his clear shiftiness, and cloaked nature on this, helps us defend against socialism, because folks don’t like shifty politicians.

I may change my view on this at some point, but for now I say full court press on all issues. When confronted with ‘tin foil’ charges last night on whether I was a birther at Rick Larsen’s last minute town hall - which brought 2,000 people into the Aquasox baseball stadium in Everett, WA, with about 60% agin - I simply said, why won’t this president release his college records like all other presidents. That shut ‘em up real quick and they are then just forced back into the corner of their secretive mystery joker president.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2314140/posts

So for me, it’s working, to press on all issues - or at least not give in on the NBC issue.


37 posted on 08/13/2009 11:25:35 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: AJMCQ
Exactly.

Which is more believable: that we have a Constitutionally qualified President setting up an unconstitutional government of czars, unconstitutionally seizing bondholder assets, etc , and attempting an unconstitutional seizure of our health care assets, etc, ... or --- that we have a Constitutionally unqualified usurper doing all these unconstitutional things that just come naturally to him as a lawless usurper???

The birthers have the upper hand in the logic department here. This usurper came into office lawlessly and has continued his lawless ways since then, shucking and jiving.

38 posted on 08/13/2009 11:28:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Daisyjane69

It is astonishing to me that a media that told me more about Sarah Palin in 72 hours after she was named to the Republican ticket, cannot summon a single teaspoon of curiosity about this man.
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Unlike your mom, today’s media are simply put, traitors of the country. They have betrayed their profession and their country. This is, in good part, why our fight is so difficult and tricky. No one wants to get the facts out about the socialist joker. Not about his BC and not about:

2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
19 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
20 Punahou grade school records


39 posted on 08/13/2009 11:30:07 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: depressed in 06

Birthers believe in the rule of law and want to see proof that it is being complied with.
++++++++++++++

And want to know why anyone would spend >$1.4 million to fight all his legal, document and BC battles:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106138

Where there’s this much smoke, there is FIRE folks...and that’s no tin foil theory either.


40 posted on 08/13/2009 11:36:36 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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