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When takers outvote makers
JS Online ^ | 8-8-09 | Jim Burkee

Posted on 08/09/2009 3:46:07 PM PDT by Indy Pendance

Lost in the vigorous national debate over health care reform is the potentially transformative effect any major legislation will have on the nature of American democracy. The deeper question we should be debating is this: What happens to our democracy when a majority of American voters depend on the government for a paycheck?

Our nation's founding generation was profoundly aware of the relationship between economic independence and democratic participation. In classical Athens, Aristotle had argued that political participation required property ownership, since those who did not own property "have no share in the state." Likewise, our founders largely restricted voting rights to those who owned property, believing that a voter's independence of judgment and desire for liberal self-government was found only in those not economically dependent on others.

Political philosopher Isabel Paterson expressed similar concerns during World War II, as government grew to unprecedented size. Dividing society into three categories - economic producers, those who depend on government and redistributors - she asked, as Aristotle and our founders had, what happens to democratic society when non-producers can vote themselves benefits at the expense of the producing class?

We're about to find out.

In 2008, just under half of all voters were either receiving Social Security; drawing a paycheck from federal, state or local government; or dependent on state assistance such as food stamps. Last year, about 210 million Americans were eligible to vote. Of those, at least 42 million were adults on Social Security (primarily retirees and disabled workers). Add to that almost 15 million federal government employees, 16 million state and local employees and 30 million recipients of food stamps, and just over 100 million Americans - just under half of all eligible voters - are directly dependent on government.

Even before the debate over national health care, that ratio of independent-to-dependent, or private vs. public sector voters, was about to change. The Social Security Administration projects that within 25 years, the number of retirees will almost double, from today's 39 million to 75 million. The number of disabled recipients of Social Security is also expected to soar to nearly one in four working-age Americans.

Based on Social Security Administration projections, there will be as many as 100 million Americans drawing a Social Security check by 2034. Even if the number of federal and state employees and recipients of food stamps remains static over the next 25 years (hardly likely), the proportion of government-dependent Americans to the overall voting-age population will reach nearly 70% by 2034, or 161 million out of 233 million eligible voters.

Government-dependent voters are much less likely than private-sector voters to favor cost-cutting reforms. Although older voters (baby boomers and above) split evenly in the 2008 presidential election, precious few favor reforming Social Security - or even acknowledge that it is headed toward insolvency.

An April 2009 survey found that most baby boomers - Republican, Democrat and independent - favor raising taxes to keep Social Security benefits unchanged, instead of reducing benefits.

In layman's terms, when they are retired and no longer paying taxes, government-dependent retirees favor raising everyone else's taxes to pay for their benefits.

We already know that federal employees tend to favor bigger government since their livelihoods are directly affected by federal spending. The Association of Federal Government Employees, which already has over 700,000 employees, promotes higher federal employee pay, lower federal employee health insurance premiums and bigger government - at the expense of a rapidly shrinking private sector.

The health care reform proposal making its way through the House of Representatives threatens to dramatically aggravate that imbalance by driving insurance companies into extinction and federalizing the nation's health care system, transforming 14.5 million private sector health industry workers into federal employees. Such a dramatic shift would move the ratio of public-sector voters to over 75% - and that doesn't even include farmers dependent on agricultural subsidies.

Before we reach this demographic tipping point, we need a national discussion about the consequences of having such a historically high ratio of dependent voters.

Like it or not, over the next two decades America will become a true welfare state. In the debate over national health care we need to decide what that will mean for our democracy.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhotaxincrease; healthcare; welfarestate
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1 posted on 08/09/2009 3:46:07 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

For many years, our local newspaper (far, far ahead of the New York Journalist Amateurs) had on the top of its editorial page the following: “Who’s gonna pull the wagon when everybody wants to ride?” The picture had one poor man - with a question mark over his head - looking at a wagon full of (liberals, of course).

True then. True now.

Except - we aren’t gonna take it.

Fair warning.


2 posted on 08/09/2009 3:49:36 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

This was posted in our lib newspaper. I’m not going to take it.


3 posted on 08/09/2009 3:51:08 PM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance

No fun at all. We are in dire straits.


4 posted on 08/09/2009 3:51:58 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

Aren’t you all trying to think of ways to avoid the government?

Live Free Or Die.


5 posted on 08/09/2009 3:53:56 PM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance

Easy answer: if you are not paying taxes of some kind (income, FICA or taxes on investments), you don’t vote. Or you don’t vote if you are a net “taker” versus a net producer. Or if you are receiving a check from the government of any kind, except for a system like social security to which you have contributed, you don’t vote.


6 posted on 08/09/2009 3:54:29 PM PDT by pharmamom (Queen. Visit the Queendom: www.whenwearequeen.com)
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To: Indy Pendance

BTTT


7 posted on 08/09/2009 3:54:34 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Indy Pendance

“In layman’s terms, when they are retired and no longer paying taxes, government-dependent retirees favor raising everyone else’s taxes to pay for their benefits.”

I have GOT to believe that most actual retirees who have paid a lifetime into SS would rather stop OTHER forms of gummint largesse as UNEARNED benefits to people and other gummints.


8 posted on 08/09/2009 3:55:12 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Indy Pendance
The deeper question we should be debating is this: What happens to our democracy(I thought we were supposed to be a Representative Republic) when a majority of American voters depend on the government for a paycheck? Our "Republic" ceases to exist. Long live the Social Democracy as evisioned by Von Engels.
9 posted on 08/09/2009 3:55:17 PM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: Indy Pendance

“Aren’t you all trying to think of ways to avoid the government?”

How do you mean? That could be interpreted a couple of ways.


10 posted on 08/09/2009 3:56:42 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: pharmamom

What’s the answer? Landowners vote? Take a civics test? Just asking, not advocating at this time.


11 posted on 08/09/2009 3:59:43 PM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Indy Pendance

btt


12 posted on 08/09/2009 4:01:18 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Indy Pendance
“The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a “warm body” democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction…. Once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader — the barbarians enter Rome.”

To Sail Beyond the Sunset Robert A.Heinlein

13 posted on 08/09/2009 4:02:44 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: Indy Pendance

People who actually pay taxes?


14 posted on 08/09/2009 4:03:02 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: pharmamom
Easy answer: if you are not paying taxes of some kind (income, FICA or taxes on investments), you don’t vote. ...

Easy answer -- not so easy to implement.

15 posted on 08/09/2009 4:03:27 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Neda Agha-Soltan - victim of murdering regime)
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To: pharmamom

That idea went out many decades ago when non-property owners were given the right to vote. It has incrementally increased to everyone having a vote. Now illegals vote, the dead vote, felons vote and Acorn types vote numerous times. I seriously doubt you are going to find any politician with a platform for poll taxing. The zombies would riot.


16 posted on 08/09/2009 4:05:01 PM PDT by Kudsman (A lifetime of public service = a lifetime of getting serviced by the public.- Mark Steyn)
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To: sionnsar

Sure it is. Set an age limit for those already registered and on government assistance(i.e. grandfather clause) and no one who is not already registered to vote and is on government assistance can no longer register.


17 posted on 08/09/2009 4:08:08 PM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (If Only To Be Left To Live My Own Life)
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To: Indy Pendance
Aristotle had argued that political participation required property ownership, since those who did not own property "have no share in the state."

Mixed feelings on that one. The ruling classes have at times set it up so that few of the "lower class" could ever become property owners. But it should relate to taxes; all should participate to earn their share in the state.

18 posted on 08/09/2009 4:08:46 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican
I don't know what the nuance is you see, but I'm all about removing as much government from my life as possible. If that means avoiding the government, that's my top priority. Rescind regulations, remove unconstitutional departments such as the Ed dept. Defund all lobbyist organizations, such as ACORN, etc. Stream line, fire and streamline, tackle the IRS, pledge hard line adherence to the constitution. There's no other way. This mushy liberalism, communism WILL BE DEFEATED or we will wither and become Obamica.
19 posted on 08/09/2009 4:09:30 PM PDT by Indy Pendance ("The beauty of the 2nd is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

You’re more right than you thing! Most of use elderly Social Security folks would rather give up receivables rather that soak the younger with higher taxes. In addition, I and many others would vote against higher benefits for US just because it would come from the younger generation.

Most of us have children and realize that it is going to cost them so we do actually vote for our futures (for our kids and grandkids)... So, it’s time to realize that we are not so selfish that we would vote for benefits for ourselves...


20 posted on 08/09/2009 4:09:44 PM PDT by Deagle
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