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Gates is more than likely racist, but did he violate any laws?
vanity | 8/2/09 | billg64

Posted on 08/02/2009 6:07:38 AM PDT by Billg64

There is not much question about Gate's attitude regarding race. I doubt that Officer Crowley considered Gate's race when confronting him.

The question remains, does one have the right to act badly in their home and on their property, without fear of arrest? Does an anonymous 911 call allow police to violate the fourth amendment of the Constitution? Since when does speaking rudely to a police officer constitute a crime?

I heard judge Napalitona asking and answering these questions yesterday. His guest was the sheriff from Arizona, he agreed that the arrest was illegal.

What are your thoughts?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: blackkk; freedom; gates; henrygates; henrylouisgatesjr; liberty; mrskippy; skipgates
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To: Billg64

He followed the officer out of the house, insulting him, threatening him, assaulting hi, in public. Remember that a charge of assault, does not require physical contact. The officer, once outside, turned to Gates, and told him he was disturbing the peace, he even took his handcuffs out, and held them in his hand, so that any reasonable person would realise they were on the verge of being arrested, but Gates just kept up his loud verbal assault...That’s why he got arrested.

He’s a stupid racist bigot, who has made a career out of hating whitey. If he qwas white, it would not be unreasonable to womder if he was related to Chris Matthews.


41 posted on 08/02/2009 6:55:56 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: Billg64

What sherrif from Arizona?


42 posted on 08/02/2009 6:57:49 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (There is not enough combined intellect in the beltway to jumpstart a moron.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
no, a torch and gas can is a specific and reasonable threat. Where was the threat in this case. Are you stating that if a black man is pissed off he is a threat?

Sir/ma'am your intellect is mirrored by the left. Case and point, you insult to win an argument. You equate differing circumstances to make a point. You allow your political bias to determine your point of view on any subject.

43 posted on 08/02/2009 6:58:12 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: MosesKnows
Racism is not against the law.

you have got to be lidding!!!

44 posted on 08/02/2009 7:00:54 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (There is not enough combined intellect in the beltway to jumpstart a moron.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

To act on racism in hiring, or charity or services is illegal. But racist statements are not illegal yet.


45 posted on 08/02/2009 7:02:40 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: wastoute
... standing up to black racists needs to be done without the badge IMHO.

How does a policve officer, responding to a lawful 911 call from an alert citizen, manage to do that? Maybe he should have taken off his badge and gun, put his nightstick back on his car, and beat the snot out of the loudmoluthed crudball -- ya think? Sounds fair to me.

46 posted on 08/02/2009 7:05:26 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (There is not enough combined intellect in the beltway to jumpstart a moron.)
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To: Billg64
Are you stating that if a black man is pissed off he is a threat?

There's a world of difference between being "pissed off" and appearing to be a raving lunatic, screaming unprovoked at police officers on their front porch.

If Crowley had've turned and run away, and Gates had continued to escalate the situation along the same trajectory he had, Crowley would be pilloried right now by the same crew for being derelict in duty. "Why couldn't they have taken him into custody until he calmed down and didn't pose a threat?"

47 posted on 08/02/2009 7:05:49 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Billg64
I think I learned long ago that bad mouthing a cop is assault of some kind...and a crime. Gates was pretty specific....mother...etc..

Let's see Gates say that to a judge when the judge tells him to "stand please".....Would love to see Gates' phone log for the next few days after the incident.

48 posted on 08/02/2009 7:06:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Billg64
But racist statements are not illegal yet.

Disagree. If I see Professor Gates in Harvard Square and if I start yelling, and carrying on, and shouting the n-word, you can bet I will be arrested for disorderly conduct (like he was) and in addition, I will be slapped with a Hate Speech charge.

Racist statements ARE illegal -- if made by a white.

49 posted on 08/02/2009 7:08:42 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Billg64
"Gates is more than likely racist, but did he violate any laws? "

If he was white, it would have been a "hate crime"...but then, the dems have filled our country with "one-way" laws.
50 posted on 08/02/2009 7:12:39 AM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
you do not get it! I don't like Gate's attitude, he could have been more personable, even thanked the cop for protecting his property. But, one can not be disorderly on their own property (or where they rent). One is allowed to be a dumb a**. No government official can come into one's home on a call from a second hand witness.

If that is allowed, I can call 911 any time anyone pisses me off and claim someone told me this person threatened to do some sort of crime.

Our rights to personal property and against illegal search and seizure would be forfeit for rumors.

I would prefer the police observe my constitutional rights. They take an oath to uphold the laws of the land, the primary being teh constitution.

51 posted on 08/02/2009 7:15:26 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Teh call that came into the 911 dispatcher was a second person witness. In other words, I was told by another that maybe a break in was transpiring. That does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion to enter without warrant. If upon exterior investigation of the property, the police conclude a break in has taken place, the dynamic changes. But the testimony does not lend itself to that scenario. The fault may lie with the dispatcher in the language used to relay the information to the police!


52 posted on 08/02/2009 7:19:03 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Billg64
I agree with most people on this site 99.9% of the time. But, had this happened to Walter Williams at the hand of a liberal cop with an Obama pin on his jacket, this discussion would be going in a different direction.

Ya know that is the truth

And you base this statement on what exactly?

53 posted on 08/02/2009 7:19:13 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: dools007

Maybe he could get Obama on Disturbing the Constitution.


54 posted on 08/02/2009 7:19:27 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: MosesKnows
Racism is not against the law.

Only if you are black, hispanic, gay, lesbian or transgender.

If you are white, it is a hate crime.

55 posted on 08/02/2009 7:20:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
In that case you would not be on your personal property, he was.

I have seen klan rallies, and that word gets tossed around plenty. I've been called cracker and no one went to jail for it.

56 posted on 08/02/2009 7:20:56 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: FrankR

possibly! But we are supposed to be better!


57 posted on 08/02/2009 7:22:19 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Owl_Eagle

opinion!


58 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:25 AM PDT by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Billg64
But racist statements are not illegal yet.

Maybe you had better do some research on "fighting words" before you make a total fool of yourself.

59 posted on 08/02/2009 7:24:54 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (There is not enough combined intellect in the beltway to jumpstart a moron.)
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To: Billg64
I don't think you are arguing in good faith. I think you are arguing like a Leftist -- you just want to be on the winning side, and damn the truth.

You stated that racist comments are not illegal. I made a case that this was not so. You get all slippery and change vital facts: now you argue that location matters.

I don't like your style. And I say that if I stand at my property line and yell the n-word at people on my sidewalk, I WILL be arrested. The fact that I'm on my personal property is not going to help me.

60 posted on 08/02/2009 7:27:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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