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To: Jim Robinson
His Indoneasian citizenship... Some key points..

Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.In an attempt to prevent dual citizenship, the draft revision includes new regulations.It states that an infant whose father is a foreign citizen and mother is an Indonesian can obtain Indonesian citizenship if it is the wish of their parents.

This citizenship, however, must not cause dual citizenship.A child born overseas to an Indonesian couple can be an Indonesian citizen at the request of their parents. A request for citizenship must be submitted to the Indonesian embassy no later than three months after the child's birth, the draft revision says.

A foreign child aged below 21 and unmarried, who is adopted by an Indonesian, will be eligible for Indonesian citizenship if the process does not cause dual citizenship. Foreigners who contribute to Indonesia -- or for a specific reason -- can be granted Indonesian citizenship by the President with the consent of the House of Representatives.

Indonesian citizens can lose their nationality on certain conditions, including if they join the military service of another country, or live overseas for a consecutive period of five years without declaring their will to remain an Indonesian national.

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In countries that enforce single citizenship, voluntary naturalization in another country will lead to an automatic loss of the original citizenship; the language of the law often refers to such cases as "giving up one's citizenship" or (implicit) renunciation of citizenship.

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If his mother gave up her US Citizenship, and if he was Adopted by her Second Husband, and if Indonesia does not Recognize the Concept of Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is an Indonesian.

In neither case does his Place of Birth or his mothers Nationality have any legal Consequence whatsoever because the USA accepts the existence of Dual Nationality only if the other country does.

Hague Conventions are applied by the USA and this has been US Law since before 1930 (see:Memorandum on Nationality, including Statelessness: Document A/CN.4/67, Prepared by Ivan S Kerno, International Law Commission, United Nations General Assembly, 6th April 1953.)

6 posted on 07/30/2009 11:56:36 PM PDT by theanchoragedailyruse
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To: theanchoragedailyruse

Ditto


22 posted on 07/31/2009 12:05:58 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: theanchoragedailyruse

Oh, my! You made that so clear. I just posted my own opinion and the same conclusion just moments before I saw your post. Thank you for clarifying.


35 posted on 07/31/2009 12:17:08 AM PDT by redhead (You don't have to be eaten by a bear to know he WILL eat you...Check the Half-Baked Sourdough!)
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To: theanchoragedailyruse

So we let the citizenship laws of *other* countries determine who is or isn’t eligible to become POTUS? I thought we were a sovereign nation. Shouldn’t *our* laws be the basis of our government? What do we when some country suddenly passes a law declaring that anyone who has ever set foot on its soil is a citizen of that country and only that country — no dual citizenship?


71 posted on 07/31/2009 12:42:13 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: theanchoragedailyruse; pissant; Polarik; BP2; Candor7; LucyT; Calpernia; ExTexasRedhead; ml/nj; ...
Are you citing current Indonesian regulations, or regulations in effect when Obama came to Indonesia as a child (c. 1967)? Only the regulations in effect at the time that they may have been relevant to Obama are important in this controversy.

IIRC, young Obama attended a school in Indonesia that only Indonesian citizens could attend, and that his school record there verifies that he indeed was an Indonesian citizen in the late 1960s. In addition, it is widely believed that he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport as a college student c. 1981.

236 posted on 07/31/2009 6:29:54 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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