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Mother, son flee in chemotherapy dispute
UPI.com ^ | May 20, 2009 | unknown

Posted on 05/20/2009 5:37:37 AM PDT by Abathar

SLEEPY EYE, Minn., May 20 (UPI) -- An arrest warrant was issued for the mother of a Minnesota teen after the pair missed a court hearing on the son's fight against chemotherapy, police said.

Colleen Hauser and her son, Daniel, 13, have been missing from their Sleepy Eye, Minn., farm since Monday after they went to a medical appointment that indicated the son's cancer was worsening, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reported Wednesday.

Only the boy's father, Anthony Hauser, was in court Tuesday for the hearing called to review a court-ordered X-ray to assess whether the younger Hauser's Hodgkin's lymphoma was getting worse. The father said he didn't know the whereabouts of his wife or son.

Brown County, Minn., District Judge John Rodenberg ruled last week Daniel Hauser must receive chemotherapy even though the treatment goes against the family's spiritual beliefs and wishes. The Hausers belong to the Nemenhah, a quasi-American Indian group favoring natural remedies and opposes medicine that attacks or harms the body.

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To: Abathar

I do too.


21 posted on 05/20/2009 6:11:06 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: usmom

> Having government (however well-meaning) force treatments and drugs upon people against their will sets up a nightmarish scenario in which everyone will find themselves in soon enough, once universal health care sets in.

Mom, your risk with Universal Healthcare is more likely to be unable to access treatments and drugs rather than have them forced upon you. Canada is a good example of that.

Speaking personally, I am in favor of Universal Healthcare PROVIDING ONLY that one has the choice to use private healthcare instead/as well. This is how it is in New Zealand where I live, and it is a great system. But we are a small country and our systems, infrastructure and economy have all been designed for this. It would never work in the US.


22 posted on 05/20/2009 6:16:30 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: usmom

I am one of the ones you just mentioned, and I do believe in freedom, but when does it cross the line to abuse?

Lets change it from cancer to something else entirely, like nutrition and see if your argument is the same:

A Vegan couple have a child, and the baby is losing weight and is getting more sick each day so they decide to take the child to a pediatrician.

They are informed that the child can’t metabolize the vegetable proteins or some such argument, a medical fact, and that the child can’t stay on their chosen diet or he will die from malnutrition.

Do you feel the parents have the same right then, to sit there and watch their child starve to death because it goes against their belief to have it eat something that comes from an animal?

I would gladly put them in prison for doing that, I don’t see a difference here at all.


23 posted on 05/20/2009 6:22:59 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: tatsinfla

such a shame too, when i got mine i was doing some research and this type of cancer was very lethal just a few years ago. Now its easily treated...


24 posted on 05/20/2009 6:30:59 AM PDT by wyowolf ("we were the winners , cause we didn't know we could fail.")
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I’m between two fires with this one. On the one hand, I don’t like the idea of courts being able to order anybody to undergo any medical treatment.

On the other hand, I sure hope they find that kid and that they’re able to save his life. Heathen religions are all very well, but there is only one God, and only He can heal illnesses.


I am divided on this as well. I am all for parental rights with very limited government interference and I even though I am an Agnostic/Atheist, I am very sympathetic and supportive of religious freedom.

I hesitate to make a judgment as to whether the parent’s religion is “heathen” or not. To me it is, but then I also don’t understand parents who refuse to get their children vaccinated against preventable and possibly fatal diseases either.

As to God healing illnesses, I tend to come down on the side that God, if he exists, gave us a brain and it’s a waste and an insult not to use it.

The boy’s parents belong to some sort of sect that believes in Native American healing and natural remedies. If these remedies are so wonderful and harmless, then there is no reason that they might be used in conjunction with traditional medicine. If it’s all up to God’s hand anyway, then why not go with the treatment that actually has a proven success rate?

It is indeed though a slippery slope, but on the other hand, if this kid’s parents belonged to some religious cult that believed that illness was sinful and the cure was withholding food and water and beating the crap out of the kid to drive out the evil spirits, the state would and I think rightly so, step in and terminate parental rights in the best interests of the child.

I think that withholding medical care in this case boarders on abuse and at minimum shear stupidity and gross irresponsibility.
25 posted on 05/20/2009 6:34:07 AM PDT by Caramelgal (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: TurtleUp
I agree that their decision is a bad one, but it's not up to the government to make the decision.

10 or 15 years ago, there would be protests outside the house or the hospital to give the child treatment, now the government just immediately (and I mean it when I say IMMEDIATELY) intervened and force the kid to go against his will to take a modern medication. I agree they are making a horrible mistake by proving a point with their kid's life, but we don't want to make this a judge's decision.

I also thought about the family suing the government for forcing a child to pain and suffering. Sounds nuts but if you didn't know what chemo was except for what people tell you, then you should be able to turn it down just on that account!

Again I say, this is not the road I would take I'm just trying to think like the family....

26 posted on 05/20/2009 6:41:31 AM PDT by VanillaBlizzard
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I’m not convinced that it’s a First Amendment issue, or if it is that the First Amendment gets to trump all other considerations. For example, if my religion required human sacrifice, should the First Amendment’s “...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” trump the fact that practising that aspect of my religion would involve murder? Surely not. The murder consideration trumps the First Amendment ... No right is absolute.

We disagree. This is not a question of human sacrifice, of murder, or of negligent homicide. It's a personal decision, where people can reasonably refuse cancer treatment because the treatment can be so terrible. If a personal decision based on the costs and benefits is acceptable, then one based on the costs, benefits, and religious beliefs is both acceptable and constitutionally protected. I believe the mother is making the wrong choice, but the boy is old enough to make an informed decision. If they both agree, then the government should have no role in the decision.

And, yes, the First Amendment is nearly absolute.

27 posted on 05/20/2009 6:42:11 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: TurtleUp

> And, yes, the First Amendment is nearly absolute.

By definition, there is no such thing as “nearly absolute”. It is a concept like “mostly dead” or “flexibly rigid”.

In this case, the First Amendment is not absolute: any religion that prescribed and carried out human sacrifice would of course be trumped by government and its laws against murder. No question about it: no ifs, ands, or buts.

In fact, none of your rights in America are absolute. Not one. Not even your Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Should they be? That’s a different debate.

> We disagree. This is not a question of human sacrifice, of murder, or of negligent homicide. It’s a personal decision, where people can reasonably refuse cancer treatment because the treatment can be so terrible.

Except the person in question is a minor, or an “infant at law” as we say in the Commonwealth. He cannot enter into a contract, and he cannot make decisions for his own welfare by himself. His guardians alone can do that, or the courts in their default.

His guardians have made / are making a decision on his behalf that has great potential to harm him, to put him at risk of damaged health or death. In default of their obligations to attend to his safety, it is the natural AND CORRECT role of the courts to do so on his behalf.


28 posted on 05/20/2009 7:00:36 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: wyowolf
There are a considerable number of people who are opposed to the standard methods of treating cancer, such as surgery, chemotherapy, etc. The opponents to mainstream treatment come from a variety of backgrounds and worldviews: they range from atheists/agnostics to New Age/pagan to very conservative Mormons, Protestants, and Catholics. This Nemenhah group has nothing to do with any of the actual Indian nations. Glancing at its Web site, it appears to be engaging in alternative medicine wrapped in "sacred mother earth" rhetoric that reminds me of 1980s-1990s movies and PBS documentaries about Indians.

American society is not particularly tolerant of groups who choose isolation from mainstream society. Perhaps this was always the case: why were the Mormons forced to flee to Utah over 150 years ago? It is a peculiar development as several of the 13 original colonies were founded as havens for dissenters from England's religious disputes: Plymouth, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Maryland.

29 posted on 05/20/2009 7:00:40 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: usmom
"Many expose themselves to be nothing but intolerant statists that worship science and ‘the authorities’ above all else."

I would not personally be willing to hold this struggling child down while doctors administered toxins to him against his and his parents' objections. Consequently, I don't want some judge and CPS agents doing it on my behalf.

30 posted on 05/20/2009 7:08:02 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: fireman15
When my grandmother was found to have cancer similar statistics were used to convince her to spart expensive chemo and radiation therapy. They said without the treatment she would be dead within a year. Instead she died in two months from the treatment. Doctors don’t know it all. The last time I checked freedom meant that the individual has the right to go against even the do gooders.

I see children die with cancer. The treatment is brutal and extremely painful. All the cells in the body have to be killed by chemotherapy. Their immune systems are non-exhistant. the children cry from suffering the constant needles into their little bodies. When in treatment, they are so fragile they can not go to school or visit with friends. Some families are torn apart because of the constant care and stress involved. But, the thing that hurts me most is the extreme pain they go through for months and years - some, after all the treatment and pain, finally die, leaving their parents devastated. I wonder sometimes whether the doctors prolong the inevitable. I know every life is precious. Sometimes the children come to a point that they are ready to die - some know the exact time, some see angels or family members and are ready to go. I could go on and on without giving an answer to you or myself. God put on my heart, when I was asking why when a child died I was close to and he said - I heal in two ways, here on earth and in heaven. Than is my comfort. I pray for the little one, knowing either way, he will be healed. Sorry for the length of my response.

31 posted on 05/20/2009 7:21:43 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: usmom

As far as ‘freedom’ goes...who gets to decide? A 13 year old is not old enough nor mature enough to make this type of decision.

The parent is seeking alternative methods for a minor. These methods have a 95% chance of leading him to an early grave. Does she have the right to prevent medical care for a minor?


32 posted on 05/20/2009 7:33:15 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Joe 6-pack
I would not personally be willing to hold this struggling child down while doctors administered toxins to him against his and his parents' objections. Consequently, I don't want some judge and CPS agents doing it on my behalf.

I have in fact held my own child down for medical treatment, many times and knowing that the result would be indescribable pain. That is a decision that I have the right to make as a parent and with informed consent, and I expect to have to make that decision again within the next year.

I would leave the country before consenting to a judge imposing such a trial on my child against my will and against my child's will. If one of my children ever reaches the point where the decision to stop medical treatment is reasonable based on a better quality of life than going through the medical nightmare that we have repeatedly experienced, then I will make sure that the decision is respected. Even without a religious justification, the ability to make that choice is an essential part of freedom.

33 posted on 05/20/2009 7:47:45 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: TurtleUp

I agree. Freedom has inherent, sometimes fatal risks to it. Looking to the state as savior is almost invariably fatal.


34 posted on 05/20/2009 7:54:35 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: fireman15

Couldn’t agree more. By any definition, chemo is poison. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Like you, I’ve lost two close relatives to “treatable” cancer via chemotherapy. It’s no more reliable than birch-bark and probably a lot less reliable than apricot pits—neither of which produces the nearly intolerable side-effects of even a single dose of chemo.


35 posted on 05/20/2009 8:15:14 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: Mach9

I personally know three people with lymphoma that were cured by chemo, and one that was not, although she was 83 and the other three were in their 20’s and 30’s.

Chemo does work.

Ed


36 posted on 05/20/2009 9:57:56 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Nemenhah is deep into the use of peyote to “cure all things”. There’s no question in this case that the court is acting in the child’s best interest and the mother is not.


37 posted on 05/21/2009 5:19:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Abathar
The "religious beliefs" are to use peyote.

End of story.

38 posted on 05/21/2009 5:21:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

At least he would comfortable when he died then...


39 posted on 05/21/2009 5:22:40 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: sniper63
Sure ~ and some day they'll discover it's caused by a flu virus that mutates.

In the meantime don't blame this one on God. What we have is a high probability of a cure and this peyote using skank woman is keeping the kid from participating in it.

Her teeth may fall out of her own volition, but the kid is going to sacrifice a lot more than teeth.

40 posted on 05/21/2009 5:23:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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