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To: boxlunch
George Washington would never have used language like that. That is incredibly insulting to a man of honor, principle and integrity. From “The 5000 Year Leap”, George Washington praised the American Constitution as the “palladium of human rights,” but pointed out that it could survive only “so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the people.”

You may be right about the language and you probably are, it was a more genteel time. But you cannot deny that he would have had the same reaction indicated by "WTF", if he'd seen what his beloved Republic had degenerated into.

BTW, I don't think by "virtue" he meant *only* civil language and a concern for "proper" behavior. He meant things like public spirit, patriotism, and a willingness to defend the rights of man.

480 posted on 04/14/2009 8:47:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

BTW, I don’t think by “virtue” he meant *only* civil language and a concern for “proper” behavior. He meant things like public spirit, patriotism, and a willingness to defend the rights of man.


Of course not. But our language is a reflection of what is going on in our heart and soul. Therefore even joking about having Washington say something so crude and foul is implying (even in a joking way) that he would have thought that way, and just makes my stomach turn.

When I was looking up the reference for the quote that I posted (thank goodness for Google), I skimmed through quite a bit of Washington’s Farewell address. It is though Washington COULD see into these times and what we could degenerate into, and was warning us about what we need to guard against. Amazing & thought provoking:

“It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.”

It’s as thought he could see ahead to the use of Executive orders, judicial tyranny, etc.


481 posted on 04/14/2009 9:18:05 PM PDT by boxlunch
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