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DOCTOR: Energy saving bulbs impacting Lupus patient
KSTP.com ^ | 1/13/09 | Nicole Muehlhausen

Posted on 01/14/2009 4:58:49 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo

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I bought one of thosse CFL bulbs, just for S&G's......

Didn't last a year......

1 posted on 01/14/2009 4:58:49 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I switched all my bulbs...They do last longer and I enjoy the flourescent light...which I have used for years in my drafting work. There was also a substantial savings on my electric bill.


2 posted on 01/14/2009 5:01:59 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Can she sue AlGore?


3 posted on 01/14/2009 5:03:45 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I have switched out to the CFLs in some areas, like the workshop or hallways. They really are wonderful in how much money you save on energy and replacement.

But in other areas, where the quality of the light is important, I am still willing to pay extra to get full spectrum incandescent lighting.


4 posted on 01/14/2009 5:08:07 AM PST by gridlock (QUESTION AUTHORITY)
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be careful - if you break one, Im told there is mercury vapor inside - have heard stories about rooms being contaminated


5 posted on 01/14/2009 5:08:59 AM PST by PfluegerFishin
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I can’t stand fluorescent bulbs. Their light is cold and depressing, while incandescent light is warm.

Even a brief exposure to UV light causes DNA damage. Most of us have DNA repair enzymes that fix the damage right away. However, there are kids born with a defective DNA repair enzyme that leaves them completely unable to repair UV caused DNA damage. Usually the condition is discovered the first time the parents take the kid outside, and the sunlight causes welts on their skin that never go away. I’ve seen pictures of these kids, 8, 9, 10 years old, covered with welts that they got from a single sun exposure as babies. The only way to prevent further damage is to keep these kids indoors, away from UV light. Unfortunately, if the fluorescent bulbs put out UV light, and they are made mandatory, these kids don’t have a lot of options for avoiding UV light.


6 posted on 01/14/2009 5:09:21 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Lupus and those sorts of conditions aren't the only ones effected. Those of us with visual perception disorders are as well. Imagine having to go through life - forever - feeling tired, sick to your stomach, with a headache, seeing flashes of light on paper,etc., when there is really nothing wrong with you other than fluorescent lights. They are the bane of my existence. Stage lights are much better for me than fluorescent.

They may be cost efficient, energy saving - yeah, whatever. They make a lot of us sick.

7 posted on 01/14/2009 5:11:56 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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“they use less energy and last up to 10 times longer”

They use less energy but they do not last longer. As a matter of fact several (5 each) failed within 8 to 14 months. Wrote the manufacturer (made in China as I understand they all are) and they said that the bulbs were not made to be used where they were turned off and on on a regular basis. And do not use with ceiling fans.

Since they will be the only bulbs available in a few years what does one do with their present lighting have to replace it all?

8 posted on 01/14/2009 5:12:03 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I have MS and have noticed that many people on MS boards complain about problems with fluorescent lighting. Some even avoid stores w/fluorescent lighting, as it throws their proprioception for a loop. It has something to do with the strobe effect (which to most folks is not perceivable) but if you’re relying on your eyes for proprioception, any variation in lighting can throw you off.

I’m wondering if the smaller CFL bulbs have the same “strobe” effect?


9 posted on 01/14/2009 5:12:17 AM PST by Dawn531
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I put these bulbs in the house everywhere. They do not last long. Many take too long to get to full power. I have removed and rid myself of all of them. I was one who had headaches from them.

I have bought tons of the real light bulbs. Good riddance. All this new lightbulb BS is just a way to pad the pockets of GE.


10 posted on 01/14/2009 5:16:57 AM PST by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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Oh by the way if one is broken in a room you must call the proper government agency as the mercury is considered toxic and the room must be cleaned. Also if there is a carpet and it spews its mercury on the carpet then in all likely hood the carpet will have to be replaced.

How do we dispose of the ones that have stopped working? Since they are full of toxic material?

11 posted on 01/14/2009 5:17:13 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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My wife is the director of a preschool that recently underwent a major renovation. One of her teachers has been complaining of headaches since they moved into the new space. The old space had fluorescent lighting, as does the new space. Is there a difference in the bulbs? I have no doubt she’s right about what’s causing her headaches, but curious as to what they might have changed to cause problems now but not last year?

I don’t know much about fluorescent lighting other than that there are many kinds and makes of the tubes. Have you found one that’s better, or worse, than others.

Many thanks!


12 posted on 01/14/2009 5:19:37 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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My understanding is that LED bulbs will be available in a couple of years or less and will replace CFL’s as the light source of choice. You can buy them now but they are pretty costly, one article said it could cost $100 or so to replace the lighting in a single room. Maybe someone around here knows more about this than I do. I know just enough to be dangerous!


13 posted on 01/14/2009 5:22:45 AM PST by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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14 posted on 01/14/2009 5:23:29 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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.....and last up to 10 times longer.....

BS......It has been my experience that they don't last nearly as long.............

15 posted on 01/14/2009 5:24:25 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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Their light is cold and depressing, while incandescent light is warm.

That's why liberals love them so much. They are just like them.............

16 posted on 01/14/2009 5:25:30 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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When I go into stores that use florescent lighting, I feel light-headed and ill at ease. I did buy a nice green cfl for outside lighting. I don’t have to actually see it, so no problem. I’m curious to see how long it lasts. It’s a green bulb, 12 watts. Puts out pretty good amount of light.


17 posted on 01/14/2009 5:25:38 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing! I'm a doctor, and I won't touch that thing!)
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They can help save money and the environment, but some say energy saving light bulbs are making them sick.

No, they can't. I've had CFLs in my house that didn't last 1/10th the time they claimed it would or the ballasts burned and, potentially, could have set the house on fire if we hadn't spotted it first. In addition, if you drop one and break it, you have to pay HazMat charges of up tp $2000.00 to have the mercury cleaned up.

There is another issue looming that has yet to be discussed - when these CFLs start ending up in landfills.

Starting in 2012 (I think), you will not be able to buy an incandescent bulb anymore (stock up!). After that, be prepared for CFLs to become much more expensive and, if Congress has its way (once they figure out the toxic issues of CFLs) we will probably have to register our CFLs to keep them out of landfills and force us all to pay exhorbitant recycling fees. It's coming, folks!

18 posted on 01/14/2009 5:25:49 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Many take too long to get to full power.

AND if it's in a very cold place, like a shed or back porch, ferget it! They won't come on at all!............

19 posted on 01/14/2009 5:27:22 AM PST by Red Badger (I was sad because I had no shoes to throw, until I met a reporter who had no feet.....)
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Have I found fluorescent bulbs that are better than others? As far as I am concerned, they are all the same. At work, I'm very glad to have a window to somewhat counteract it. At home, I live in a fluorescent free zone.

If your wife and her staff are having light induced headaches and it's not sunlight (I get those too. Darn these Irish eyes), have her consider looking up Scotopic Sensitivity Syndrome and the Irlen Institute. It didn't surface as an issue until fluorescent lights became the norm as a lighting source. I was diagnosed at 22 and I will swear on a stack of Bibles with a Rosary in my hand that it's real. There are those who doubt it, but it's a real thing and what causes it is being ambidextrous. It's true. Both sides of the brain are competing for the same information and it short circuits and slows down the information getting to the message center. It's rather fascinating, actually.

I've found that the fluorescent lights that give off a green or yellow hue are worse for me. Even yellow walls are a problem. What the difference is in your wife's case, I couldn't say, but if the incandescent bulb is really outlawed, I will invest in lamp oil. I'm just not doing it.

20 posted on 01/14/2009 5:30:28 AM PST by Desdemona (Tolerance of grave evil is NOT a Christian virtue (I choose virtue. Values change too often).)
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