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To: DJ MacWoW; The Sons of Liberty; Marty; Polarik

Obama needed to tighten as much of a noose around the Hawaiian Dept of Health as he could. That would mean big payoffs to Lingle and the head of the DOH. The danger to him is that anyone who works there could get a copy of his BC and circulate it for forensic analysis (it’s likely to be a forgery by this time anyways). The real key is the doc#, and the surrounding doc#’s, because if it’s a fake document # then he’d be using someone’s who died at that time, and he restricted the time of birth on the fightthesmears website. Once the document sees daylight, guys like Polarik will prove it’s forged.

Applying Occham’s Razor: Is Obama acting in an open handed fashion, delivering requested documents to whomever asks, just like McCain did? Or is he operating in a secret fashion, hoarding info to himself and dealing with the heads of the departments to keep things quiet? Which scenario describes this situation better right now, the open handed or the close handed one? Of course, there are other possibilities, this isn’t a false dilemma, but it does serve to open one’s eyes to his methodology.


632 posted on 12/05/2008 1:00:53 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kevmo

The head of the Hawaiian Dept of Health, Fukino, is a lib. Lingle is not. She even refused to attend his meeting for Govenors in Philadelphia. I’m not buying the conspiracy. Fukino stated publicly that there is an original BC on file but never said he was born in Hawaii. Lingle has said nothing.


642 posted on 12/05/2008 1:06:21 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Kevmo; All

“Obama needed to tighten as much of a noose around the Hawaiian Dept of Health as he could. That would mean big payoffs to Lingle and the head of the DOH. The danger to him is that anyone who works there could get a copy of his BC and circulate it for forensic analysis (it’s likely to be a forgery by this time anyways). The real key is the doc#, and the surrounding doc#’s, because if it’s a fake document # then he’d be using someone’s who died at that time, and he restricted the time of birth on the fightthesmears website. Once the document sees daylight, guys like Polarik will prove it’s forged.”

I don’t know how Hawaii’s Dept of Health works, but I worked for many years for the OK Dept of Health and my wife actually worked in Vital Records where birth and death certificates were kept. All of these records were ALWAYS in a vault with very restricted access. Only a small handful of persons could get direct access to birth certificates. They were VERY careful about this. So, based upon my experience in Oklahoma, I wouldn’t read too much into his record being sealed - most are already just that.

Now that being said, I’m certain that extra precautions are being taken at DOH Hawaii to ensure that a rogue employee doesn’t release a bootleg copy of Mr. Obama’s BC. Even if it showed nothing unusual, it would cause heads to roll at DOH. Notice how state employees that improperly released information on “joe the plumber” are being grilled. Someone, in that case, maybe several state employees are going to lose their jobs and may face criminal charges. The same would be true of DOH Hawaii employees that release ANY BC improperly. I’m not too concerned about bribery.

All that being said.....I would still like to see the vault copy of Mr. Obama’s BC. If he has nothing to hide, why the stall? Just remember that the record being sealed is not significant per se.


730 posted on 12/05/2008 2:59:23 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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