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Science's Alternative to an Intelligent Creator: the Multiverse Theory
Discover ^ | Nov 26, 2008 | Tim Folger

Posted on 11/27/2008 11:21:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: deaconjim
By definition, the universe encompases everything in existence. That being the case, there can only be one “universe”.

Exactly.

21 posted on 11/27/2008 11:52:17 AM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Seruzawa
This is a great theory. It’s impossible to test it! Everything is now answered and “science” no longer has to prove anything.

Rees, an early supporter of Linde’s ideas, agrees that it may never be possible to observe other universes directly, but he argues that scientists may still be able to make a convincing case for their existence. To do that, he says, physicists will need a theory of the multiverse that makes new but testable predictions about properties of our own universe. If experiments confirmed such a theory’s predictions about the universe we can see, Rees believes, they would also make a strong case for the reality of those we cannot.

In other words, it is an application of the scientific method. Nothing unusual about that--that's what science does.

So how does this differ from religion?

Science relies on evidence, and the testing of theories based on that evidence. Religion relies on dogma and belief, and is not subject to tests using the scientific method.

22 posted on 11/27/2008 11:53:31 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a hard time agreeing the hubbub about the “big bang being firmly established” and their assertion that everything is known from one millisecond on.

Just seems to me to be kinda without foundation when just about daily, the Hubble takes a look out there and sees things that we have no idea
What they are or
Why they’re even there.

We are all the time being bombarded by cosmic rays that have energies that are not producible by any known process, including them being “left over” remnants of the BB.

Wish the aliens would show up. Modern science could use a good dose of humility.


23 posted on 11/27/2008 11:55:26 AM PST by djf (The harsh reality of life is that reality is harsh.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is THE guy to keep an eye on... Edward Witten. M-Theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Witten
He is married to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiara_Nappi

24 posted on 11/27/2008 11:56:56 AM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Our universe is perfectly tailored for life. "

Why would I read past such an incredibly ignorant statement? The author is writing out of his league.

25 posted on 11/27/2008 11:57:34 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (By Obama's own reckoning, isn't Lyndon LaRouche more qualified? He's run since the 70's)
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To: Coyoteman

You neglected to mention a key feature of science: It is in a state of constant change. Religion, on the other hand, is static (or nearly so).

The idea of a constant and absolute truth continues to be a powerfully comforting thought to billions of people. On the other hand, the constantly shifting truths or theories of science can be somewhat unsettling.


26 posted on 11/27/2008 11:57:59 AM PST by durasell
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To: Coyoteman
Science relies on evidence, and the testing of theories based on that evidence.

Like Global Warming.

/sarcasm

27 posted on 11/27/2008 12:01:04 PM PST by Mojave (http://barackobamajokes.googlepages.com/obama_funny)
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To: Seruzawa
Frankly I don't see how multiverse makes creation argument invalid...

Answering your question, usually any religion-like theory is missing only one of the attributes of a true religion - morality, i.e. commandments.

28 posted on 11/27/2008 12:04:12 PM PST by alecqss
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I think the idea is that the universe is perfect for life. If just one of the four forces of nature were different by just billionths of what they actually are, there would be no complex life.

These would be, of course, 1) gravity 2) electromagnetic force 3) weak nuclear force 3) strong nuclear force.

Then there's also the expansion rate of the universe. Seems dark energy is throwing a monkey wrench into the mix. No oscillating universe, which means only one beginning.

29 posted on 11/27/2008 12:14:05 PM PST by mtg
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LOL! Now this is rich!

First science tells us not to believe in God because they can’t prove one exists by the use of the scientific method.

But it’s OK to believe in multiple universes based purely on speculation.

Who are they kidding? They just want to keep their (our tax dollars) research funding coming.


30 posted on 11/27/2008 12:17:22 PM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: SeekAndFind; MAK1179; briansb
Not only do I fail to see how the multi-verse theory negatively impacts a belief in a creator, in fact I find the potential for multiple universes refreshing and required to make better sense of what I know to be possible spirtually.

Of course there are many potential universes, each act and each belief you act upon moves you toward a different universe than you would be in had you acted otherwise. Both must have had the potential to actually exist or your decision and your action meant nothing at all.

Since both (all) potential universes were available for you to step into and there exist billions of us making decisions each day (and stepping into our own new universe) how better to understand how your actions and belief system directly impact the world you live in than to understand that there are multiple-universes in existence.

How does it negate God in any way to have science just begining to scratch the surface of something which moves us just slightly closer to understanding how God's miracles manage to function within what we believe is our physical environment. Think about what a miracle really is... whether someone no longer aflicted with a deadly disease whom the doctors only last month concluded had only weeks to live...... consider the car wreck someone walked away from without a scratch.. etc etc... Consider the "how" and the mechanics which must surely exist for God to work such miracles without violating the very laws of phsyics he originally put into motion.

It's a given that there are multiple universes and it's our option to choose which of all possibilities we will live in.

31 posted on 11/27/2008 12:22:45 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: SeekAndFind

-b-


32 posted on 11/27/2008 12:24:53 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SeekAndFind

One problem I have with the Multiverse theory is that not only is our Universe so tailored to life, it is also so simple.

If you halve the distance between two objects, you get four times the gravitational force and also four times the electromagnetic force. In one randomly created universe out of countless possibilities, wouldn’t we expect the relationships not to be so exact? Perhaps halving the distance would leave to 3.87234901 times the gravitational force or whatever. Why is the one universe conducive for life also the one universe that deals in these whole numbers?

It seems logical that a creator would want to keep the numerical set up simple.


33 posted on 11/27/2008 12:25:02 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: SeekAndFind

No confusion here. Science is the process by which human beings discover the majesty of God’s creation. Religion provides meaning for our place in that creation. One complements the other. The more we learn about the universe, the stronger my belief becomes. What could be more majestic than an infinitude of universes existing forever?


34 posted on 11/27/2008 12:32:20 PM PST by redpoll
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To: SeekAndFind
DC Comics came up with the multiverse theory 20 years ago:


35 posted on 11/27/2008 12:33:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SeekAndFind
“I once predicted my own future. I had a very firm prediction. I knew that I was going to die in the hospital at the Academy of Sciences in Moscow near where I worked. I would go there for all my physical examinations. Once, when I had an ulcer, I was lying there in bed, thinking I knew this was the place where I was going to die. Why? Because I knew I would always be living in Russia. Moscow was the only place in Russia where I could do physics. This was the only hospital for the Academy of Sciences, and so on. It was quite completely predictable.

“Then I ended up in the United States. On one of my returns to Moscow, I looked at this hospital at the Academy of Sciences, and it was in ruins. There was a tree growing from the roof. And I looked at it and I thought, What can you predict? What can you know about the future?”

There are many possible universes. The decisions you make, and a million decisions by a million other people, shape the one that finally emerges.

36 posted on 11/27/2008 12:35:18 PM PST by marron
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To: SeekAndFind

more junk science from the same people that gave us global warming.


37 posted on 11/27/2008 12:37:39 PM PST by ari-freedom (Turkeys belong on the Thanksgiving table, not in the White House.)
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To: Coyoteman

“To do that, he says, physicists will need a theory of the multiverse that makes new but testable predictions”

that’s the problem. There is no such thing as a multiverse theory that makes testable predictions. It’s just another bogus idea in search of a government grant.


38 posted on 11/27/2008 12:41:27 PM PST by ari-freedom (Turkeys belong on the Thanksgiving table, not in the White House.)
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To: onedoug
A multi-verse to me would make God even more likely.

As Arte Johnson would say "Verrry Interresting", would you like to explain why for our edification ?
39 posted on 11/27/2008 12:43:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Lancey Howard
47 years ago, to be exact.

Flash of Two Worlds came out in 1961.


40 posted on 11/27/2008 12:43:16 PM PST by Bratch
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